Leftist legislation from the bench

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by uplink5

I'd bet he was trolling for a response.....any takers?
You might have time for lunch.

Oh, yeah, there's a Taker. Richard's Maker.


That statement was pitchfork bait if I ever read it.

lol Richard will have all the time in the world...

[1stindoor]

I wasn't familar with your book, The Bible as Literature so I had to do a little research on it myself. Having not read the book you have me at a slight disadvantage, however having read the Bible (King James...as if it came in another flavor) several times I'm pretty familar with that body of work.

What I found interesting is this comment from one of the editors of the book, I think in it's 5th edition.

As in the widely popular earlier editions, the latest revision of this comprehensive and systematic text approaches the Bible from a literary/historical perspective, studying it as a body of writing produced by real people who intended to convey messages to actual audiences. Avoiding assessments of the Bible's truth or authority, the authors maintain a rigorously objective tone as they discuss such major issues as the forms and strategies of biblical writing, its actual historical and physical settings, the process of canon formation, and the nature of biblical genres including prophecy, apocalypse, and gospel.

I don't understand how the authors can avoid assessments of truth or authority and at the same time question the historical and physical settings?

One either takes the Bible on faith...or one doesn't.

This was also interesting to me,

The fifth edition features a new coauthor, David Citino; a new chapter by contributor Nicola Denzey on the essential yet often overlooked role of women in the Bible; and a new appendix on modern approaches to the Bible. It also incorporates new maps, a timeline, updated bibliographies, and revised material throughout. This objective, easy-to-use, and exciting presentation of the Bible is indispensable to students and accessible to general readers.

Who's been overlooking the womenfolk? The authors of the Books of the Bible...or it's readers?

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Oh, yeah, there's a Taker. Richard's Maker.


That statement was pitchfork bait if I ever read it.

lol Richard will have all the time in the world...

LMAO

[Pete]

Originally Posted by 1stindoor

I.............Who's been overlooking the womenfolk? The authors of the Books of the Bible...or it's readers?

Overlooked?

Some would say a few books were overlooked when they put the Bible together.

[1stindoor]

Originally Posted by Pete

Overlooked?

Some would say a few books were overlooked when they put the Bible together.

I can't deny that. One has to look no further than the Catholic Bible and the Protestant Bible (in whatever version/perversion you prefer). My point was that the women in the Bible are not overlooked. Their roles may have been understated comparitively speaking...but their roles are clearly there for those that take the Bible as the word of God and understand what those women accomplished.

[incarcerated]

Originally Posted by mugwump

I don't understand how this is legislating from the bench -- separation of church and state.

The separation of church and state was also legislated from the bench.
This has been the Left’s primary method of advancing its social and political agendas in modern times. The Left understands that power is attained by codifying its values into law.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by incarcerated

The separation of church and state was also legislated from the bench.
This has been the Left’s primary method of advancing its social and political agendas in modern times. The Left understands that power is attained by codifying its values into law.

Excellent post. I concur completely.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by incarcerated

The separation of church and state was also legislated from the bench.
This has been the Left’s primary method of advancing its social and political agendas in modern times. The Left understands that power is attained by codifying its values into law.

I disagree - the concept of the separation of church and state was legislated with the adoption of Art Vl of the Constitution of the United States and further cemented with the adoption of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution (Bill of Rights) - and I would hardly call the "Founding Fathers" "the Left"...although some in Parliament might.

Richard

[sinjefe]

Richard, Richard, Richard. Sounds like you have a bit of a leftist tinge to you yourself.....or an atheist one. Must be that teacher background

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by sinjefe

Richard, Richard, Richard. Sounds like you have a bit of a leftist tinge to you yourself.....or an atheist one. Must be that teacher background

Richard's just practicing for when the Chicoms take over.

[Richard]

Thank the God of the 'Founding Fathers' for the Constitution of the United States and Bill of Rights.

Richard

[PRB]

Why not just read about the founding fathers lives rather than tell us what they'd think. They'll tell you themselves.
Seperation of Church/State was included because of Great Britains official state church and one had register at an Anglican church (for the census) to ...this came to the colonies also.
Seperation of Church and State meant there would be no 'official' state church not a complete removal of prayer/worship from public life.
As an aside, the 'they didn't really practice religion' (founding Fathers) rewriting of history took hold in the 20'-30's in this country and some not so very well researched (purposely misleading with a secular agenda) works like Bollingers' "Washington and Religion" that has very convieniently ignored many historical facts.
I rec "George Washingtons Sacred Fire" by Lillback. A 15 year work with the appropriate footnotes and ref.
I note this because of the secular smokescreen that's been pushed by our teaching class for years...a rewriting of our historical figures lives to suit their secular agenda.

[PRB]

All of the States Const preambles

Alabama 1901, Preamble
We the people of the State of Alabama , invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution..
Alaska 1956, Preamble We, the people of Alaska , grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.
Arizona 1911, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...
Arkansas 1874, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arkansas , grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...
California 1879, Preamble We, the People of the State of California , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom...
Colorado 1876, Preamble We, the people of Colorado , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe...
Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.
Delaware 1897, Preamble Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.
Florida 1885, Preamble We, the people of the State of Florida , grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...
Georgia 1777, Preamble We, the people of Georgia , relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...
Hawaii 1959, Preamble We , the people of Hawaii , Grateful for Divine Guidance ... Establish this Constitution.
Idaho 1889, Preamble We, the people of the State of Idaho , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.
Illinois 1870, Preamble We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil , political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
Indiana 1851, Preamble We, the People of the State of Indiana , grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.
Iowa 1857, Preamble We, the People of the St ate of Iowa , grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings, establish this Constitution.
Kansas 1859, Preamble We, the people of Kansas , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.
Kentucky 1891, Preamble.. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties..
Louisiana 1921, Preamble We, the people of the State of Louisiana , grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.
Maine 1820, Preamble We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity .. And imploring His aid and direction.
Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...
Massachusetts 1780, Preamble We...the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction
Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom, establish this Constitution.
Minnesota, 1857, Preamble We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:
Mississippi 1890, Preamble We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.
Missouri 1845, Preamble We, the people of Missouri , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness . Establish this Constitution...
Montana 1889, Preamble. We, the people of Montana , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..
Nebraska 1875, Preamble We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . Establish this Constitution.
Nevada 1864, Preamble We the people of the State of Nevada , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, establish this Constitution...
New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.
New Jersey 1844, Preamble We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.
New Mexico 1911, Preamble We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty..
New York 1846, Preamble We, the people of the State of New York , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.
North Carol ina 1868, Preamble We the people of the State of North Carol ina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those...
North Dakota 1889, Preamble We , the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...
Ohio 1852, Preamble We the people of the state of Ohio , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common.
Oklahoma 1907, Preamble Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty, establish this
Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences
Pennsylvania 1776, Preamble We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance.....
Rhode Island 1842, Preamble. We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing....
South Carolina , 1778, Preamble We, the people of he State of South Carol ina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.
South Dakota 1889, Preamble We, the people of South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties .
Tennessee 1796, Art. XI..III. That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...
Texas 1845, Preamble We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.
Utah 1896, Preamble Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.
Vermont 1777, Preamble Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ..
Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other
Washington 1889, Preamble We the People of the State of Washington, grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution
West Virginia 1872, Preamble Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ...
Wisconsin 1848, Preamble We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility....
Wyoming 1890, Preamble We, the people of the State of Wyoming , grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties, establish this Constitution...

[head]

Arguing about religion is like running on a treadmill - you end up out of breath but you still haven't gone anywhere

[PRB]

True, not arguing about Religion...I'm concerned about our historical past and how Religion was a part of the founding documents and the writers motivation.
Don't like revisionist history