Robed Muslim Clerics Kicked Off Flight

[rdret1]

Whether it was "right or wrong" is left to the individual. Either way, I respect the pilot's decision as his own. He didn't feel comfortable with them as passengers.

On the other hand, maybe actions such as this will bring out the courage of other muslims to stand against those that use Islam to perpetuate terrorism. Here is an interesting article, even more so as it comes from Seattle, a bastion of liberalism. http://www.sacbee.com/2011/05/08/361...-say-good.html

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Aloysius

You said basically the same thing to me when I poked fun at Pres. Bush for his "Mission Accomplished" showboating. .......

Since the who, what, when, why, where of why he did that was reported - but the libs didn't listen or take note - well, of course we would think like we do.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Aloysius

........But this is a land of law. If the pilot is in his rights to kick off a passenger(s) because they're the boogeyman, than maybe we need to change the law.

Because where and when do you draw the line?

Well, I think we, as Americans, are still crawfishing around the point of if we will even draw a line.

On the other hand Muslims have drawn their line in the sand over 1,000 years ago and are stickin' to it. Been pretty consistant about it also.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Aloysius

If the United States has a law that you must not dress a certain way or get kicked off the plane, I'm pretty sure the enemy will just adapt. There are Muslims who come here and rub freedom in our faces by protesting (when they can't do it in their homeland) America (and Israel).

But this is a land of law. If the pilot is in his rights to kick off a passenger(s) because they're the boogeyman, than maybe we need to change the law.

Because where and when do you draw the line?

They crossed the line 9/11.

After that we brought the fight to them, killing them for their cause "in" their countries.

One would think they would have learned by now.

As Pete just pointed out and we've pointed out time and time again, this is the same "war" they have been fighting for well over one thousand years. It will not end in our lifetime.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Aloysius

But this is a land of law. If the pilot is in his rights to kick off a passenger(s) because they're the boogeyman, than maybe we need to change the law.

FAR 121.533 — Responsibility for operational control: Domestic operations.

(a) Each certificate holder conducting domestic operations is responsible for operational control.

(b) The pilot in command and the aircraft dispatcher are jointly responsible for the preflight planning, delay, and dispatch release of a flight in compliance with this chapter and operations specifications.

(c) The aircraft dispatcher is responsible for—

(1) Monitoring the progress of each flight;

(2) Issuing necessary information for the safety of the flight; and

(3) Cancelling or redispatching a flight if, in his opinion or the opinion of the pilot in command, the flight cannot operate or continue to operate safely as planned or released.

(d) Each pilot in command of an aircraft is, during flight time, in command of the aircraft and crew and is responsible for the safety of the passengers, crewmembers, cargo, and airplane.

(e) Each pilot in command has full control and authority in the operation of the aircraft, without limitation, over other crewmembers and their duties during flight time, whether or not he holds valid certificates authorizing him to perform the duties of those crewmembers.

That's the law of the sky. How would you rewrite it?

Pat

[MTN Medic]

IMO, it is un-American to deny someone services because of their religion or their type of dress. This country was founded on tolerance and freedom. If we let the radicals change that about us, what makes us special is gone.

This country was created as a response to religious oppression and unjust rule. This is what makes our country great and I, for one, do not relish in the idea of throwing it away with the bathwater because we are 1) intolerant and 2) scared.

We must rise above and prove to everyone in the World what we already know: This is the greatest country in the World.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by MTN Medic

IMO, it is un-American to deny someone services because of their religion or their type of dress. ..........

Does looking sketchy count? Type of dress can get you not hired in many places. Also - No Shirt - No Shoes - No Service! Many places have a "no mask" law that applies to people. Are female Muslims exempt? Would that be making a special accomodation for a religion?

Will America still be America under Sharia Law?

Will American Gays, Christians, Jews, women whatever and everybody have the same rights under Sharia as they do now?

Since the leaders of Islam in the US have stated that their goal is to convert our country into an Islamic State does that not make them an enemy to our Constitution?

So just who is out to change America more - us or them?

Under Islam it will be Un-American to be anything but Muslim.

Originally Posted by MTN Medic

IMO, it is un-American to deny someone services because of their religion or their type of dress. This country was founded on tolerance and freedom. If we let the radicals change that about us, what makes us special is gone.

This country was created as a response to religious oppression and unjust rule. This is what makes our country great and I, for one, do not relish in the idea of throwing it away with the bathwater because we are 1) intolerant and 2) scared.

We must rise above and prove to everyone in the World what we already know: This is the greatest country in the World.

At the same time though, allow me to interject, such a denial to boarding is undoubtedly the result of the actions and crimes perpetrated by muslims against mankind. We can base our reasoning and deeds on principles, which is not wrong in and of its own. But in today's world it would become a weakness that can easily exploitedby the bad guys.
In a nutshell: they had it coming. I'm Italian and I live in Italy, I don't consider myself intolerant and please turst me when I say I'm not: but on a domestic flight I was on, I saw a passenger, clearly muslim, dressed with their traditional garb and turbant and it made me unconfortable.
Not pleasant, not at all.

[MTN Medic]

1) There is a difference between radical muslims and the other 99% in our country. Some clergymen are pedophiles, while the vast majority are good men that feel they are doing God's work. To call all Christians pedophiles and force them to register would be wrong.

So to is it to persecute another man for having a religion different from the majority. Religious tolerance is precisely what made this country grow so fast. We are getting away from this and it is a tragedy.

2) Our country will never be under Sharia law; just simply won't happen.

The communists, Taliban and any other former and current enemy we have had in the last 20 years has banned Christianity, Judaism or envoked some other sort or religious persecution.

Do we choose to be like our enemies, or to stand up and prove that we are the better country?

Originally Posted by Pete

Does looking sketchy count? Type of dress can get you not hired in many places. Also - No Shirt - No Shoes - No Service! Many places have a "no mask" law that applies to people. Are female Muslims exempt? Would that be making a special accomodation for a religion?

Great example, straight to the core: Italy has such a piece of legislation. It is forbidden to conceal one's facial traits in public. It's a heritage of the red terrorism era dating back to the late 70's and all the 80's.
No exceptions for religious and other beliefs. Technically you can't even wear a full face helmet unless you're clearly about to hop on your motorbike.
Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by MTN Medic

1) There is a difference between radical muslims and the other 99% in our country. Some clergymen are pedophiles, while the vast majority are good men that feel they are doing God's work. To call all Christians pedophiles and force them to register would be wrong.

So to is it to persecute another man for having a religion different from the majority. Religious tolerance is precisely what made this country grow so fast. We are getting away from this and it is a tragedy.

2) Our country will never be under Sharia law; just simply won't happen.

The communists, Taliban and any other former and current enemy we have had in the last 20 years has banned Christianity, Judaism or envoked some other sort or religious persecution.

Do we choose to be like our enemies, or to stand up and prove that we are the better country?

To what price would you prove you're better, though? To the point of meekly allowing everyone and his dog rant about or do everything he wishes for the sake of proving a point? Sometimes tough choices are necessary, and I believe all of you QPs make them on a daily basis. They may be unpopular, but still necessary.

[bluebb]

If they start some shiite, the passengers will take care of business.


Blue

[MTN Medic]

Originally Posted by Sierra Lima

To what price would you prove you're better, though? To the point of meekly allowing everyone and his dog rant about or do everything he wishes for the sake of proving a point? Sometimes tough choices are necessary, and I believe all of you QPs make them on a daily basis. They may be unpopular, but still necessary.

By any means necessary. I will not trade the illusion of safety for the compromise of a founding principle upon which my nation was created and was allowed to thrive.

GEORGE WASHINGTON: "The bosom of America is open to receive not only the opulent and respectable stranger, but the oppressed and persecuted of all nations and religions, whom we shall welcome to a participation of all our rights and privileges, if by decency and propriety of conduct they appear to merit the enjoyment."
-Address to the Members of the Volunteer Association and the Other Inhabitants of the Kingdom of Ireland Who Have Lately Arrived in the City of New York, December 2, 1783

Now, if an when an individual is shown to lack the aforementioned requisites of the protection of our country, I will be there to deliver swift, rough justice.

Thomas Jefferson: "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

[Pete]

Originally Posted by bluebb

If they start some shiite, the passengers will take care of business.


Blue

I would if I can get my belt back on to hold my pants up. Just kidding but they do make you take your belt off.

Wasted a lot of money getting screener friendly cloths. The stupid TSA union employees still make me take if off.

The TSA could speed things up a lot if they had the screener friendly line for those with no metal in their shoes or belts.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by MTN Medic

.....2) Our country will never be under Sharia law; just simply won't happen. .......

Deerborn, Mich is where the first step will be taken.

Never? Never say never. Obama gets reelected and appoint a couple SC Judges and there ain't no telling what they'll find between the lines in the Constitution.

The Constitution only says what the SC says it says - not what it says.