U.S. Pastor Terry Jones Burns Quran, Stirs Up Violence

[Surgicalcric]

Excuses, excuses...

Those who died did not do so because the pastor burned the Quran, though that will be the reason given by both the enemy and the press, but because the savages we are fighting wanted them dead, like they want the rest of us. They would have done the same had the book not been burned...

That said, the pastor is an idiot and should be throat punched.

Crip

[Richard]

Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. - S Weinberg

Morality is doing what's right, regardless of what you are told. A lot of religious morality is doing what you are told, no matter whether or not it is right. -JA Thomson

All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish {Islamic}, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. - Thomas Paine

Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion, several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat, if his theology isn’t straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother’s path to happiness and heaven. - Mark Twain

It has all been said before; maybe somebody burned those books, too, and the message has been lost. Sad.

And so it goes...

Richard

[Buffalobob]

I have a low tolerance for cowardice. If Terry Jones believes strongly the things he talks about then he should go to Afghanistan and burn it right in the middle of Kabul. But like most people who spend their lives running their mouth he will not go and risk his own. Instead he will put our children and our friends children in harms way and then stand and pray loudly on the street corner so that all may hear how pious he is.

[Mustang Man]

Those protesters need to understand that the actions of a intolerant pastor doesn't represent the ideals of a whole nation.

I guess it wouldn't make a diffrence anyway. They still would have killed innocent people that had nothing to do with that POS pastor. Just as Crip stated, they are using what the pastor did as an excuse to justify their own actions.

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Surgicalcric

That said, the pastor is an idiot and should be throat punched.

Crip

Crip,

Am confused, honestly.

Can you please explain without giving up any OPSEC/PERSEC?

Thank you,

Holly

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Richard

Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. - SW

Richard

I'm surprised that the good Doctor (Theoretical Physics) bothers to get out of bed at all: "The more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it seems pointless."

Pat

[Cynic]

Originally Posted by Buffalobob

I have a low tolerance for cowardice. If Terry Jones believes strongly the things he talks about then he should go to Afghanistan and burn it right in the middle of Kabul. But like most people who spend their lives running their mouth he will not go and risk his own. Instead he will put our children and our friends children in harms way and then stand and pray loudly on the street corner so that all may hear how pious he is.

Amen!

[kgoerz]

I wish someone would start a mass Koran burning. Like hands across America. Let the world see them for what they really are. Sub Human Cowards.

[scooter]

We can debate the merits or stupidity of the koran burning at length, it doesn't really matter if it was a good idea or not. No more than it matters if the Danish cartoons were a good idea.

If someone burned a bible in Kathmandu and there were mass riots of baptists across the southern US that resulted in mass death and destruction... everyone would be talking about the irrational christians on a rampage. No one on CNN would spare two fucking words for the idiot in Kathmandu. Likewise if a bra burning in Woodstock led to every Victorias Secret model killing a puppy.

I'm tired of talking about all of the Kathmandu bible burners of the world as if they were the root of the problem, and getting more tired of every attempt to place blame where it belongs as "islamaphobic".

[Tress]

Originally quoted by kgoerz:

I wish someone would start a mass Koran burning. Like hands across America. Let the world see them for what they really are. Sub Human Cowards.

This idea actually has some merit. I think the majority of us feel that one day the next big, world-wide war will be the Muslims against all of the non-believing infidels (that would be ya'll and me). The Quran basically calls for it to happen by exhorting all muslims to convert all non-believers and if the non-believers do not convert then they are to destroy all non-believing infidels. Now, I know that this infidel is not going to convert and I doubt that even a small majority of the rest of the remaining infidels will willingly convert, so a battle seems unavoidable, if not inevitable.

So, maybe a unilateral first-strike is in order. Prepare the military by consolidating their positions, issue, minimally, 30 times the normal basic load and we will burn every Quran on every bookstore shelf in the free world. Once their blood gets to boiling and they go on the rampage just smoke them until they are non-existent. Shoot them, carpet bomb them, everything short of nuking them and if necessary, nuke them. The Israelis will certainly help to get rid of the biggest thorn in their side. This seems to be the only way to deal with this kind of problem.

Do not forget the caught-on-television reaction to the attack of the World Trade Center by what seemd to be many a muslim across the world. They cheered and rejoiced. The reaction of most Americans to the stupid, criminal and muderous acts of a few U.S. soldiers is to throw their sorry, inbred asses into jail for the rest of their lives. We do not cheer nor condone those acts and we certainly do not rejoice.

For the past 60 or so years the Israelis have had to live with the fact that a large group of people, who not only happen to live next door to them, but also among them, want to wipe their people and nation off of the face of the earth. The U.S. is just starting to get a taste of that.

Granted, this is a massive simplification of the situation and I would prefer that everyone involved just got over it all and lived their lives without being dickheads. But, when religion gets involved wierd things begin to happen and people lose their minds.

Do not get me wrong. I have many Muslim friends and I am probably a bit more familiar with Islam than the average guy walking on the street. I have studied Islam and the Muslim religion through and for the military, in college courses and I actually own a copy of the Quran that I have read through at least 3 or 4 times cover to cover. There are many things about Islam and the Quran that I admire, but there are many more things about Islam and the Quran that I just have to shake my head about and say WTF!!!!

In summary, if it is going to happen anyway, let's just get it done and over with before it is too late...

[akv]

Originally Posted by Tress

This idea actually has some merit. I think the majority of us feel that one day the next big, world-wide war will be the Muslims against all of the non-believing infidels (that would be ya'll and me).

With all due respect to all that is encompassed by ya'll and me, I don't think the majority of us, us being US citizens, believe anything of this sort. I'd like to think most folks think Pastor Jones and those Westboro turds are no more the global face of Christianity than Islamist insurgents we face in AQ, Iraq, and Afghanistan represent the desires of each and every one of the billion plus Muslims in the world. News like we got today is a gut punch. I am grateful we have brave folks in harms way over there paying the price of freedom. It's a tough world, and wolves like AQ, and the Islamists , we likely just have to kill, for our safety, so be it, doom on them.

However, I'd also like to think as difficult and frustrating as these times may be, we cannot afford to lose our discipline and composure, and get caught up in what Stephen Pressfield so eloquently describes as "possession". Before we fall into the trap of confusing terrorists and insurgents with a global holy war, if you asked most Americans what is the example of true evil, how many would respond by naming a single regime? A regime which was democratically elected, and whose people as modern and educated as any of their time, allowed themseles to take counsel of their fears and began throwing out labels like "Sub Human", this is a slippery slope, and it is slippery with bloodshed unworthy of sheepdogs. First this regime turned on their own citizens, then they plunged the whole world into a war. The notion "these people" specifically Muslims are as a whole complicit in the acts of their own wolves, and thus holistically culturally inferior, to the point it can be rationalized " nuke em till they glow, and shoot them in the dark" is both singularly dull, and unworthy of our legacy as Americans. We are the children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren of the people that took on this most evil regime of "Supermen" and beat the ever living tar out of it. This is a different type of war and a different type of enemy, we need to evolve and adapt to meet this threat, and we will, without forgetting who we are, the ten-fold greater threat our ancestors overcame, and with full cognizance of the dangers of "possession".

[Viking]

I've read this thread with interest and agree with a lot that's been said. However, my not-so-easy mission just got that much more difficult because of this idiot preacher. I'm among the Afghan's everyday trying to win the skeptical elders over to our side. I train and work side by side with the ANA everyday. To these guys, religion isn't just a go to church on Sunday kind of thing. It's a daily, hourly, by the minute way of life. The Quaran isn't just a book to the people that surround me, it's a holy document. Much more so than most Christians hold the Bible. What the preacher did has serious implications to our daily lives whether he cares or not. If I ever see him I'm going to punch him square in the mouth for all the extra "patching up relations" we have to do now. Just my .02.

[incarcerated]

Two world-views are in conflict here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-protests.html

Obama Calls for Tolerance in Afghanistan After UN Mission Attack, Protests

By Eltaf Najafizada and Paul Tighe
Apr 2, 2011 6:21 PM PT
President Barack Obama called for tolerance in Afghanistan after the burning of a Koran in the U.S. prompted an attack that killed seven United Nations workers and sparked violent anti-U.S. protests in the country.

“Now is a time to draw upon the common humanity we that share,” Obama said in a statement yesterday issued by the White House in Washington. “The desecration of any holy text, including the Koran, is an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry. However, to attack and kill innocent people in response is outrageous.” ....

“No religion tolerates the slaughter and beheading of innocent people, and there is no justification for such a dishonorable and deplorable act,” Obama said about the deaths of the UN workers....

....Protesters shouted “Death to America” as they spread from the center of Kandahar, Zalmai Ayoubi, a spokesman for the Kandahar province, said by phone yesterday....

Ghulam Yahya Toryalai, a 27-year-old shopkeeper, said he joined the protests to show his anger over the burning.

“A bloody person by the name of Jones insulted our most holy book,” Toryalai said. “He should have been hanged by someone.”....

[Pete]

Originally Posted by incarcerated

.......“Now is a time to draw upon the common humanity we that share,” Obama said in a statement yesterday issued by the White House in Washington. “The desecration of any holy text, including the Koran, is an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry. However, to attack and kill innocent people in response is outrageous.” .... ............

Maybe the Prez needs to talk with the Military leadership of the USofA. The Military seems to have no problem burning Bibles.

And the Muslims cheered when we did it.

Edited to add the link for those who don't believe it.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/as...bibles.burned/

"......Troops at posts in war zones are required to burn their trash, Wright said.........." One man's trash is another man's Holy Book.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Pete

Maybe the Prez needs to talk with the Military leadership of the USofA. The Military seems to have no problem burning Bibles.

And the Muslims cheered when we did it.

Excellent point Pete..............

Big Teddy