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Old 01-31-2011, 09:12   #16
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Welp, we lost Iran during the Carter administration, and Egypt during this one. Stellar.
In the context of Obama losing Egypt.....you must fight for something to lose it. So it would appear to me Obama gave it away or handed it over.
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Old 01-31-2011, 09:30   #17
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This aspiring idea of self-government and freedom (whatever that may mean to whomever) has been an American foreign policy staple and an on-going global series of nebulously conclusive events since our WW2 claims of fighting the Axis powers to make the world "safe for democracy."

Lake a restaging of The Crucible on Broadway or a remaking of the movie, the only thing really new about it all is a change in the cast.

And so it goes...

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Old 01-31-2011, 10:33   #18
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Welp, we lost Iran during the Carter administration, and Egypt during this one. Stellar.
We lost Iran well before Carter. 1953, if not before.

We lost Egypt when we insisted on backing a a guy for so long who was never going to allow elections.
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Old 01-31-2011, 10:39   #19
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We lost Iran well be for Carter. 1953, if not before.

We lost Egypt when we insisted on backing a a guy for so long who was never going to allow elections.

I apologize. I should have said, "I blame Iran's loss on Carter."

I also think people don't realize the potential for big time disaster with this Tunisia/Egypt conflagration; could well be the first domino of a world-wide effect.
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Old 01-31-2011, 15:44   #20
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Hence:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...70U53720110131

Israel shocked by Obama's "betrayal" of Mubarak

Analysis: Is Mubarak's time up after 30 years in power?
Sun, Jan 30 2011Related TopicsWorld »
By Douglas Hamilton


JERUSALEM (Reuters) - If Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak is toppled, Israel will lose one of its very few friends in a hostile neighborhood and President Barack Obama will bear a large share of the blame, Israeli pundits said on Monday.

Political commentators expressed shock at how the United States as well as its major European allies appeared to be ready to dump a staunch strategic ally of three decades, simply to conform to the current ideology of political correctness.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has told ministers of the Jewish state to make no comment on the political cliffhanger in Cairo, to avoid inflaming an already explosive situation. But Israel's President Shimon Peres is not a minister.

"We always have had and still have great respect for President Mubarak," he said on Monday. He then switched to the past tense. "I don't say everything that he did was right, but he did one thing which all of us are thankful to him for: he kept the peace in the Middle East."

Newspaper columnists were far more blunt.

One comment by Aviad Pohoryles in the daily Maariv was entitled "A Bullet in the Back from Uncle Sam." It accused Obama and his Secretary of State Hillary Clinton of pursuing a naive, smug, and insular diplomacy heedless of the risks.

Who is advising them, he asked, "to fuel the mob raging in the streets of Egypt and to demand the head of the person who five minutes ago was the bold ally of the president ... an almost lone voice of sanity in a Middle East?"

"The politically correct diplomacy of American presidents throughout the generations ... is painfully naive."

Obama on Sunday called for an "orderly transition" to democracy in Egypt, stopping short of calling on Mubarak to step down, but signaling that his days may be numbered. [nN30161335]

"AMERICA HAS LOST IT"

Netanyahu instructed Israeli ambassadors in a dozen key capitals over the weekend to impress on host governments that Egypt's stability is paramount, official sources said.

"Jordan and Saudi Arabia see the reactions in the West, how everyone is abandoning Mubarak, and this will have very serious implications," Haaretz daily quoted one official as saying.

Egypt, Israel's most powerful neighbor, was the first Arab country to make peace with the Jewish state, in 1979. Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, who signed the treaty, was assassinated two years later by an Egyptian fanatic.

It took another 13 years before King Hussein of Jordan broke Arab ranks to made a second peace with the Israelis. That treaty was signed by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who was assassinated one year later, in 1995, by an Israeli fanatic.

There have been no peace treaties since. Lebanon and Syria are still technically at war with Israel. Conservative Gulf Arab regimes have failed to advance their peace ideas. A hostile Iran has greatly increased its influence in the Middle East conflict.

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Old 01-31-2011, 16:04   #21
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An interesting bit of cultural insight associated with the current unrest in Tunisia and Egypt.

To the Tyrants of the World
Abdul Qasim al Shabi

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPl...01&m=133354628

Sic semper tyrannis.

And so it goes...

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