USASOC Sniper Comp - Page 2

perdurabo · 12-13-2010, 10:49

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Originally Posted by craigepo

THAT is some PH.D-level marksmanship discussion. I hope the young guys pay attention when longrange types.

Dnno about the young guys, but us old guys that could learn a thing or two are

Fortunately, I'm not at that level where my ammo temps are going to make a difference.

kawaishi · 12-13-2010, 11:16

Does anyone know where the Marine teams were from and which one placed 4th? I've been looking and every article just references "the Marines."

longrange1947 · 12-13-2010, 11:56

One team was from LeJuene and the other from Hawaii.

The fourth place team had Gilland and Royal as competitors.

The other Marine team place 10th and had Standridge and Fortson as competitors.

Now I will have to run down which team was which as my scoresheet does not delineate team break down by location.

kawaishi · 12-13-2010, 19:40

Thanks!

Richard · 12-15-2010, 15:42

SWCS posted pics just posted on Flickr.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/insides...7625605810492/

Richard

**Bill Harsey** · 12-16-2010, 08:25

It was an honor to be in the company of those that shot this competition and meet old friends, members of this board and make new acquaintances.

It is humbling to get another glimpse into the world of those that do the hard work.

A special thanks to Longrange1947 for all the assistance and guidance you provided me.

An honor to spend a little time with you.

longrange1947 · 12-16-2010, 21:46

You are welcome Bill, but I think my guidance was more of a harassing nature while you shot.

You did good though!!!

It was a pleasure to talk with you!

Retiredfire · 12-17-2010, 20:58

I am curious about how whether or not the shooters kept their ammo at body vs ambient temp affected their ability to hit a target? I read in another post that a 70 degree change in temp resulted in a 50 or so change in fps.

longrange1947 · 12-17-2010, 21:36

Newer powders are not as temp sensitive as the older ones, but yes, we tell the snipers to maintain the same temp or shifts will occur. The easiest is to keep your rounds next to you for zeroing and again before a shot. Not let the ammo heat up in the chamber of a hot weapon, in the sun, or conversely setting out in freezing weather.

It is the little things that will bite you on the long shots. You will get away with not protecting your ammo in the short ranges but at longer ranges you will pay for it. The greater the range the greater the effect. Most shooters know to to let their ammo set out int eh sun but forget about the cold which has the reverse effect.

Retiredfire · 12-17-2010, 21:46

LR1947 Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.

frostfire · 01-06-2011, 23:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by longrange1947

Richard - thank you for editing my mistake on the rankings, I forgot to make the change in the main post after I was asked about it earlier.

To give you guys an idea of how the basics that I talked about bit a bunch of guys. The One shot event had only one single target hit. The reasons were, one they lased the ground behind the target which was at 835 to 850 meters while the target was at 725 meters. The guys that actually ranged it correctly shot low because they let their ammo get cold, it was about 21 degrees and warmed to a rousing 24 degrees by end of the event. Those that ranged and kept their ammo warm, missed due to the fact they saw a right to left wind and "felt" an eight to ten mph wind on their face. Problem was the wind was of little value down there and the 10 mph wind felt was actually a 2 - 3 mph "effective" wind. A number ran out of time by not assessing the situation before starting and then losing sequence and thus time.

master Rick,

now I see why you said there's no such thing as "one shot, one kill" only "one shot, x% probability of hit." So much moving variables, science transcending to art, and so on. Just curious, did anybody use the Horus reticle in the competition and get effective result?

As always, thanks for the education....now how can one do the side matches during these event

longrange1947 · 01-07-2011, 07:33

The Horus was used by a number of teams to include the top fiishers. The Horus has a place in sniping, to what extent is the crux of the debate by many to include myself. The Horus excels at certain tasks and falls short on some of the others.

frostfire · 04-21-2011, 14:21

From the top finisher and his coach:
(copy and paste)horusvision.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/sfc-edward-homeyers-personal-account-using-horus/
(copy and paste)horusvision.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/how-to-use-the-h58-reticle-by-todd-hodnett/

Looks like Larue OBR dominated as well.
OBR or MWS....MWS or OBR....so much great tools, so little money