09-30-2010, 19:23
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Women will be in direct support of SF "activities" very quickly (in the near future). That doesn't mean they're going to be on ODAs or door kicking. We actually need them in certain circumstances - eliciting information from Islamic women comes immediately to mind. The few that make the grade will become valuable adjuncts to our community. The rest will make it that much harder for their "sisters" to get the chance to prove themselves.
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09-30-2010, 21:52
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Sec. Gates is behind the times. Didn't some female Captain some 20 years ago claim to have made SF? (sarcasim) 
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10-01-2010, 09:26
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Sec. Gates is behind the times. Didn't some female Captain some 20 years ago claim to have made SF? (sarcasim) |
I call thread hijack!
On this site...that's a big button to push.
Just remember never to call her name aloud...lest the google alerts wake the slumbering entity.
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10-01-2010, 13:14
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There has only been one woman in Special Forces, and she earned it.
Col Maggie, Rest in Peace.
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10-01-2010, 14:52
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There has only been one woman in Special Forces, and she earned it.
Col Maggie, Rest in Peace.
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Or her lawyer did. 
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10-01-2010, 16:39
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I call thread hijack!
On this site...that's a big button to push.
Just remember never to call her name aloud...lest the google alerts wake the slumbering entity.
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My apologies for sure. Total sarcasim on my part. After seeing the thread a few weeks ago about the said Captain's quest to make SF and doing some further research, the whole affair screamed of politics and her claim is totally unjustified. I just can't understand why folks claim to be something they're not. It's totally dishonorbale and shows a total lack of integrity. Outside of that, whether females should be apart of SF teams, it's not for me to say since I'm not SF.
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10-01-2010, 17:08
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I just can't understand why folks claim to be something they're not. It's totally dishonorbale and shows a total lack of integrity.
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AND POSERS BE DAMNED!!!!! 
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10-01-2010, 17:38
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AND POSERS BE DAMNED!!!!!
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ABSOLUTELY!
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10-01-2010, 19:56
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...I just can't understand why folks claim to be something they're not.
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It's not just in the armed forces, people everyday try to be something they are not and try to convince all others along the way.
What stands out in this community is there is absolutely nothing to prove.
"You can learn alot about the friends I have, by observing the enemies I keep".
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10-01-2010, 20:19
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It's not just in the armed forces, people everyday try to be something they are not and try to convince all others along the way.
What stands out in this community is there is absolutely nothing to prove.
"You can learn alot about the friends I have, by observing the enemies I keep".
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Very well said. Your statement speaks for itself.
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10-02-2010, 04:31
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Or her lawyer did.
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C'mon TR, You mean Honorary Col Maggie??????
I think you're thinking of.....dare I say it........Katie.....duhoo, there I done went and said it 
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10-02-2010, 04:38
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No problem
I don't have a problem at all with bringing women into Special Forces----as long as the SFAS/SFQC standards are not altered one iota. If the standard calls for a minimum of ten dead-hang pull-ups, then by God that's the standard---for men and women. If the standard calls for the student ODA to carry rucksacks weighing in excess of 90 pounds each for a full mission profile-----and the only thing that a 100 lb female SF candidate can do is sit on her aformentioned rucksack----well then, sorry----there's the door. I'm sure there's a handful of women out there who could do this job, and it might do our Regiment some good to bring them into the ranks considering our evolving missions. This will probably happen at some point. And if we as a Regiment don't begin shaping the environment such that our standards are protected, then we will have failed.
I do, however, think that females should first be integrated into the conventional combat arms (infantry, armor, etc) before venturing into SF. Ya gotta walk before you can run.
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10-02-2010, 05:55
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My apologies for sure. Total sarcasim on my part.
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FWIW and because sarcasm (even when dripping with rhetorical wit worthy of an Art Buchwald and appropriately placed emoticons) is often difficult to detect (especially when engaged in a hot button debate), many of us here have adopted the use of ' pink' font (bottom left corner of the font ' colors' pull-down located between the 'Sizes' and 'Smilies' pull-downs) to denote a sarcastic response.
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10-02-2010, 06:01
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I stand ready to support this latest requirement. hot_women_in_uniform_25.jpg10.jpgwtf_girls_21.jpg
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10-02-2010, 08:15
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I don't have a problem at all with bringing women into Special Forces----as long as the SFAS/SFQC standards are not altered one iota. If the standard calls for a minimum of ten dead-hang pull-ups, then by God that's the standard---for men and women. If the standard calls for the student ODA to carry rucksacks weighing in excess of 90 pounds each for a full mission profile-----and the only thing that a 100 lb female SF candidate can do is sit on her aformentioned rucksack----well then, sorry----there's the door. I'm sure there's a handful of women out there who could do this job, and it might do our Regiment some good to bring them into the ranks considering our evolving missions. This will probably happen at some point. And if we as a Regiment don't begin shaping the environment such that our standards are protected, then we will have failed.
I do, however, think that females should first be integrated into the conventional combat arms (infantry, armor, etc) before venturing into SF. Ya gotta walk before you can run.
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Hey, I am with you, brother, but that will be an impossibility.
Look at Airborne School, and what happened to standards there when they allowed females to attend. If a man has to be able to do 50 push-ups or six pull-ups because he needs the strength to pull a riser, why is the requirement removed for women? Do they get special female only parachutes or do their parachutes work differently?
Why not evaluate all soldiers physical fitness on the same standards to start with? If a man needs 40 PU, 40 SU, and a 16:00 run time or better just to pass, why should we let females max the test with less?
The SFAS and SFQC have both had the standards changed at various times to allow more graduates. How long before they would be changed because few, if any females were being selected or graduated?
We already have women in SF units. I just don't think we need them on ODAs.
TR
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