Islamization' of Paris a Warning to the West

[nmap]

Originally Posted by Saoirse

That being said, when an entire ideology is making the wholehearted attempt to infuse itself into a country and it's culture only to change it and the people to their ideology and they are using bullying, violence, fear, terror, threat, usurption, not to mention that countries own laws and culture against it, what do you then? Sit back and just let it happen? Sip your iced tea and hope for the best while watching it all unfold through rose colored glasses?

Words that bear repeating.

Ideas that deserve careful reflection.

By bringing in those with profoundly different views of what is right and wrong, we risk the replacement of our values with other values.

Do we have a responsibility and a duty to future generations? If so, do we faithfully discharge our duties by putting our granddaughters at risk of having their noses cut off? And that set of values is precisely what Islam promulgates. Yet we sit and permit it to happen.

Our forebears died so we could live in freedom. One might conclude that we regard that gift with contempt as we squander it.

[tonyz]

Is it America's job to spread its standards of civilized behavior globally?

Certain members of radical Islam sure spread some of its standards of behavior on America on 9-11 (and on many other well documented occasions).

If a civilized standard must be spread globally - I choose ours every day. And, believe me, when it comes to the radicals it is us or them...just ask them. Prudence suggests that we heed their many warnings.

[T-Rock]

If Islam is an ideology, does its persistence testify to its strength--or to its enduring social, cultural, economic, and strategic weaknesses?

Wherever Pure Islam reigns supreme, it’s like a hostile alien invasion of earth its mother ship enters a civilized culture and deploys the umma, and harvests the technology, science, and knowledge of the culture it invaded after a thorough subjugation.. The offer of death or conversion perpetuates this alien creature, sort of like the eggs (ideology), Ripley, Dallas, Lambert, and Kane discovered on their return trip from Thedus

[Sigaba]

If nothing else, this thread demonstrates that Woodrow Wilson's view of America's role in the world is as persistent as ever.

Originally Posted by nmap

Let me try again.

The current actions of several subsets of the Islamic superset are suggestive of behavior patterns which may represent a risk to societies which permit population increases among the Islamic elements of such societies, whether through immigration or conversion.

Please note the occurrence of so-called honor killings in the U.S. LINK

Such actions are of a piece with the earlier link showing the woman with her nose and ears cut off.

One can argue what level of risk exists; however, the evidence indicates Islamics have behaviors which do represent some risk.

By this logic, we should focus first on Europeans as certain subsets may present "a risk to societies." After all, as their populations grew, Europeans engaged in a variety of economic, political, social, and cultural practices that resulted in three global wars.

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Should we accept and support misogyny, or should we look the other way?

IMO, the position you are taking on this issue today does not exactly square with the position you staked out with unmistakable clarity in your unedited comments on Christiane Amanpour.

Originally Posted by Saoirse

Entire post.

Given the amount of gendered violence and sexual exploitation of children in Western societies, a question that immediately arises is: Why focus so much concern on what is happening half a world away rather than what is happening in one's own country? Why not focus on shutting down the Land of /b/?

Originally Posted by nmap

By bringing in those with profoundly different views of what is right and wrong, we risk the replacement of our values with other values.

Bluntly, this statement suggests that you don't have much confidence in the strength of America's core values or an understanding of how previous generations of Americans used those values to impose their will on those who had enslaved them.

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Wherever Pure Islam reigns supreme, it’s like a hostile alien invasion of earth its mother ship enters a civilized culture and deploys the umma, and harvests the technology, science, and knowledge of the culture it invaded after a thorough subjugation.. The offer of death or conversion perpetuates this alien creature, sort of like the eggs (ideology), Ripley, Dallas, Lambert, and Kane discovered on their return trip from Thedus

MOO, if one is going to make broad comparisons between Islam and various ideologies, one should not emulate the rhetoric of those comparable ideologies. YMMV.

[T-Rock]

IMO, the position you are taking on this issue today does not exactly square with the position you staked out with unmistakable clarity in your unedited comments on Christiane Amanpour.

I stand by my tongue-in-cheek comment which implied Christiane Amanpour prostitutes the Arab Palestinian cause and that she’s a professional apologist for Islam - which lures the average Joe into a slumbering acquiescence, and my assertion that Hasan al Banna’s grandson, Tariq Ramadan, is an apologist for the Muslim Brotherhood. I also stand by my comment that when Ayaan Hirsi Ali challenged Amanpour and confounded her thought process, in essence, it was a bitch slap

She certainly does inspire one to reach for very special words, doesn’t she

I’m not sure of your position Sigaba, you do appear to be defending Islam’s misogyny.

Is the deflowering of little 6-9yo girls, as “tilth” for “plowing” OK by you

IMO, Islamic ideology develops a sense of exclusiveness and victimization in its practitioners. It renounces all self-scrutiny and insists that it’s correct beyond all questioning, which under the conditions of Sharia, allows it to thrive.

Are you suggesting we appease it?

I personally believe that one of the basic human desires is one of the urge towards freedom and dignity. Scrutiny is an enabler of change. The idea of freedom trumps oppression any day. Why not help em’ throw off the shackles?

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Entire post.

My central point is that your advocacy of your viewpoints would profit from a higher level of intellectual consistency.

[nmap]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

By this logic, we should focus first on Europeans as certain subsets may present "a risk to societies." After all, as their populations grew, Europeans engaged in a variety of economic, political, social, and cultural practices that resulted in three global wars.

Europeans may well represent a risk to non-European societies. No doubt that's part of the reason Saudi Arabia is not urging Europeans to emigrate to their nation.

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Bluntly, this statement suggests that you don't have much confidence in the strength of America's core values

Those values are dying. The social, political, and economic elites abandoned them long ago, and so they wither away.

The consequences? Islam will probably win. And little girls will get their noses chopped off.

Please note that I am not jesting when I say that.

[T-Rock]

My central point is that your advocacy of your viewpoints would profit from a higher level of intellectual consistency.

Some of us aren’t as blessed as you, with IQ’s over 200

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by T-Rock

Some of us aren’t as blessed as you, with IQ’s over 200

PM on the way.

[Todd 1]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

My central point is that your advocacy of your viewpoints would profit from a higher level of intellectual consistency.

You can fight intellectual inconsistency, I'll fight these people.

[Saoirse]

I was sent the link to this today and thought I would share with all of you.

http://civilusdefendus.wordpress.com...lamic+Conquest

It is the 4 stages of Islamic Conquest. I found it informative and interesting. If you scroll down past the introduction letter, you will find the article.

[tonyz]

Thank you for posting that.

[Gypsy]

Originally Posted by Todd 1

You can fight intellectual inconsistency, I'll fight these people.

And there you have it.