Here we go.....AZ vs LA the threats begin

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by PSM

Boy, is that an old video! I saw an oil pump in it.

Pat

Pat, If you saw an oil pump at 00:51 I'm really worried about you.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Pat, If you saw an oil pump at 00:51 I'm really worried about you.

Yup....

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Pat, If you saw an oil pump at 00:51 I'm really worried about you.

Uh, well, it was clearly a visual metaphor. Yeah, that's the ticket!

Pat

[sf11b_p]

The message is that if California, LA specifically, truly wants to boycott AZ they should also make arrangements to end the contract for power supplied by AZ. In other words, don't be hypocritical and selective on what they do and don't accept from AZ.

Gary Pierce, a commissioner on the Arizona Corporation Commission, wrote the letter in response to the Los Angeles City Council's decision last week to boycott the Grand Canyon State -- in protest of its immigration law -- by suspending official travel there and ending future contracts with state businesses.

Noting that a quarter of Los Angeles' electricity comes from Arizona power plants, Pierce threatened to pull the plug if the City Council does not reconsider. He also ridiculed Villaraigosa for saying that the point of the boycott was to "send a message" by severing the "resources and ties" they share.

"I received your message; please receive mine. As a statewide elected member of the Arizona Corporation Commission overseeing Arizona's electric and water utilities, I too am keenly aware of the 'resources and ties' we share with the city of Los Angeles," Pierce wrote.

"If an economic boycott is truly what you desire,I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation."

He didn't threaten to pull the plug, he offered to assist LA end it's hypocrisy.

Pierce already stated he doesn't have the power to outright pull the plug, and he believes LA won't be taking him up on that offer.

[6.8SPC_DUMP]

It's mind blowing that illegal immigrants sentenced to jail aren't deported, but, maybe the Governator can help bridge the cultural divide by reiterating his resent proposal.

Arnold: Send California prisoners to Mexico

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger suggested California could ease its crowded prison system by sending thousands of undocumented inmates to specially built jails in Mexico.

Speaking to reporters at the Sacramento Press Club, Schwarzenegger said California could ease its strained finances by a billion dollars if 20,000 illegal immigrants currently held in the state were housed across the border.

"I think that we can do so much better in the prison system alone if we can go and take, inmates for instance, the 20,000 inmates that are illegal immigrants that are here and get them to Mexico," Schwarzenegger said.

"Think about it -- if California gives Mexico the money. Not 'Hey, you take care of them, these are your citizens'. No. Not at all.

"We pay them to build the prison down in Mexico. And then we have those undocumented immigrants down there in prison. It would half the costs to build the prison and run the prison. We could save a billion dollars right there that could go into higher education."

Schwarzenegger's remarks come as California prepares for the latest in a long line of state budget crises.

Schwarzenegger declared a fiscal emergency earlier this month, warning severe cuts were necessary to stem a 19.9-billion-dollar deficit.

California has some of the most overcrowded prisons in the United States, with an estimated 170,000 inmates housed in facilities designed for 100,000 people, according to 2007 figures.

Schwarzenegger said he believed the financial burden of California's prisons could be eased if the private sector moved into the industry.

"I think that there is no reason why we should have just state employees and public prisons," Schwarzenegger said. "Why shouldn't we have private prisons and private prisons competing with public prisons?

"I don't want to go and get rid of public prisons, not at all. It's not an attack on their labor union even though they may take it as such.

If AZ continually presses their unemployment rate and the national security implications, involving other states too, racial tensions might ease some.

[Defender968]

Originally Posted by 6.8SPC_DUMP

It's mind blowing that illegal immigrants sentenced to jail aren't deported, but, maybe the Governator can help bridge the cultural divide by reiterating his resent proposal.



If AZ continually presses their unemployment rate and the national security implications, involving other states too, racial tensions might ease some.

I think they aren't deported immediately because they would be back a week after being sent home, how would that be for justice.

As much as it pains me agree with Arnold I think he’s on the right track, though I wouldn't send them to Mexico, it's just too dam corrupt and they'd want us to foot the entire bill. I've said it before, China offered to house our inmates for 1K per year per man, maybe that's the way to go with illegal’s in our prison systems, if we've got to pay for their incarceration we should get to say how and where. That way a life sentence would cost us just about as much as 2 years here in the states. If the conditions suck here's an idea....don't illegally come to this country....and if you do don't commit crimes…. or you go directly to outermost Mongolia… do not pass go do not collect 200 dollars!

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

Isn't shutting off the electricity or water to a whole city like LA (something like ten million people in LA county I think?) rather extreme though?

No.

[tonyz]

"- May 19, 2010
Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott"

Don't think of this as cutting off power so much as reducing LA's carbon footprint:

[plato]

Originally Posted by Defender968

I've said it before, China offered to house our inmates for 1K per year per man, maybe that's the way to go with illegal’s in our prison systems, if we've got to pay for their incarceration we should get to say how and where.

Cool!

Chinichangas

[mojaveman]

Los Angeles Mayor Anthony Villaraigosa does not by any means speak for all Californians. There are a whole lot of people here who fully support what the Arizona lawmakers are trying to do to curb illegal immigration there.

[Smokin Joe]

http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/s...le+Feedfetcher

Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 5:20pm MST
LA mayor rebuffs Pierce letter
Phoenix Business Journal - by Patrick O'Grady

Los Angeles won’t be turning off its power or rejecting electricity generated in Arizona, despite a suggestion Arizona Corporation Commissioner Gary Pierce to do just that.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said he doesn’t intend to consider cutting power ties with Arizona, despite a letter from Pierce saying the city should boycott Arizona completely or be more constructive in talking about the differences of opinion on the state’s new immigration law.

“The mayor stands strongly behind the city council on this issue and will not respond to threats from a state which has isolated itself from the America that values freedom, liberty and basic civil rights,” according to the response from the mayor’s office.

Pierce sent a letter to Villaraigosa Tuesday that said if the city is serious about honoring its boycott, he would help them work with Arizona utilities to end contracts that give Los Angeles about 25 percent of its power.

While some media reports said Pierce threatened to cut off the power, the commissioner said he has no legal authority to do so, nor is that his intent.

Arizona has been hammered with boycotts since passage of the immigration law, which gives police broad powers in tracking down illegal immigrants. Other cities, including Seattle, Columbus, Ohio and Boston have opted to either end contracts with Arizona companies or not do business with the state.

The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power also is backing the city council’s decision, said Austin Beutner, the utility’s general manager.

“On any given day, we receive 20 to 25 percent of our power from two power plants located in Arizona: Navajo, a coal-fired plant, and Palo Verde, a nuclear plant,” he said in a statement. “We are part owner of both power plants, which are generating assets of the department. As such, nothing in the city’s resolution is inconsistent with our continuing to receive power from those LADWP-owned assets.”

Read more: LA mayor rebuffs Pierce letter - Phoenix Business Journal

[JJ_BPK]

POTUS,
the Attorney General of the United States E H Holder,
and the United States Secretary(czar) of Homeland Security J Napolitano
have not read the law enacted by Arizona.

You can,, here is a copy..

Warning: Be prepared to spend some time reading this piece of Arizona legislation.

It is almost as long as my phone bill.

At 17 pages, it may take all of 10 minutes to read...

[Richard]

This is like watching two long-time friends fighting over the same B-girl they just met in a bar after a night of heavy drinking - not a good prospect for a long-term arrangement for anybody and a whole lot of reasons why it shouldn't be happening.

And so it goes...

Richard's $.02

[ZonieDiver]

LA's, and California's, hypocrisy knows no bounds. In 1935-36, LA sent police officers to the Arizona-California state line to turn back the "transients":

Along California's hundreds of miles of land frontier and on the home front in this city, Los Angeles police battled today to turn back hordes of jobless, penniless transients, who are said to have been pouring into this sunny clime from the wintery east at the rate of 6,000 to 7,000 a month.

Police Chief C. A. Woolard at Tucson acted when his men arrested 22 of the homeless men. He asked Gov. B. B. Moeur to call out troops "to stop California from dumping hoboes in Arizona."

Whether the Tempe physician, who rose to the office of Governor of the neighboring State, would take this militaristic step was a question. But calling out the guard is no new experience for Governor Moeur. The last time he did it was to stop the Government Reclamation Service from constructing the Parker Dam, a part of the Los Angeles aqueduct system. The troops responded nobly, rushing to the river bank and then creating an "Arizona navy" with a couple of scows to patrol the water front. Today the dam is rapidly proceeding toward completion with the Arizona warriors back in their homes and possibly waiting for the new call to arms.

I wonder if Gov Brewer will follow in Gov Moeur's footsteps?

Nellie Mae Trent Bush was born in Missouri in 1888, but came to Mesa, Arizona in 1893. In the 1930s, Nellie Bush received national recognition as "Admiral of Arizona's Navy" during the Parker Dam controversy. When Governor B. B. Moeur authorized National Guard troops to halt construction on the Parker Dam, he authorized Joe and Nellie Bush to bring the troops across the Colorado River.

http://newdeal.feri.org/tolan/tol09.htm

[The Reaper]

I wonder who sets the electric rates for the power sent to LA, and how quickly they could raise them?

TR