Muslims in NYC Planning to Build Second, Smaller Mosque Near Ground Zero

[dr. mabuse]

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[T-Rock]

Why There Should Be No Mosques at Ground Zero
by Robert Spencer
05/24/2010
Now that it has been revealed that not one, but two mosques are planned for the area around Ground Zero, the supremacist and triumphalist character of this effort is clearer than ever. Is the Muslim population of lower Manhattan so huge that one projected mosque—even one so large as to be housed within a 15 story Islamic Center—would immediately be bursting at the seams, and thus yet another is required even before the first is built?

Of course not. Muslims are already praying at the projected site of the massive Islamic Center, an old Burlington Coat Factory outlet that was damaged by a piece of one of the hijacked airplanes fell through the roof on 9/11. (A Muslim real estate company paid $4.85 million in cash for the building. Where that cash came from has not been explained).

That building doesn’t appear to be overflowing, although Muslims are reportedly holding prayers on the sidewalk outside another lower Manhattan mosque, apparently in order to give the impression that they’re in dire need of more space. This is, however, more for show than for necessity.

The placement of mosques throughout Islamic history has been an expression of conquest and superiority over non-Muslims. Muslims built the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock on the site of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem in order to proclaim Islam’s superiority to Judaism. The Umayyad Mosque in Damascus was built over the Church of St. John the Baptist, and the Hagia Sophia Cathedral in Constantinople was converted into a mosque, to express the superiority of Islam over Christianity. Historian Sita Ram Goel has estimated that over 2,000 mosques in India were built on the sites of Hindu temples for the same reason.

But the Ground Zero mosque, or mosques, won’t be another example of that Islamic supremacism, will they? After all, the mosque initiative’s organizer, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, has said that the building of the mosque by the World Trade Center site was intended to make “the opposite statement to what happened on 9/11.”

The group behind the 15 story Islamic Center sent a statement to Mike Huckabee’s show on Fox News (declining an opportunity to meet my colleague, Pamela Geller, to discuss the mosque issue), claiming that the planned mosque was “a project to honor those who were harmed on September 11. It is a project to proclaim our patriotism to this country and to stand side-by-side all men and women of peace.”

And Ground Zero is not a holy site, so the symbolism of Islam conquering and replacing other religions isn’t there—or is it?

The Twin Towers, after all, were the symbol of America’s economic power. Placing a mosque by the site of their destruction (at the hands of Islamic jihadists) symbolizes the taming of that power. Abdul Rauf has placed the blame for 9/11 not on jihadists at all, but on the U.S. and the West, saying that they “must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end.” Statements like that call into question just who the mosque organizers have in mind when they say the mosque is intended to honor “those who were harmed on September 11.”

The possibility of deception cannot here be ruled out, given that Abdul Rauf has a history of making smooth statements that appear to endorse American principles and values, when on closer examination he is upholding Sharia law, denigrating freedom of speech, and advocating against anti-terror measures.

It was to honor the Americans who really were harmed on September 11 that Pamela Geller has organized, with help from me and our new group, Stop Islamization of America, a rally against the 9/11 Mosque. The rally will be held on June 6 in lower Manhattan. June 6, D-Day, was chosen because on that day Americans began to beat back from Europe the scourge of a totalitarian and genocidal ideology. Today, no less unmistakably, it is incumbent upon us to stand and defend the principles of freedom that are once again threatened, this time by Islamic jihadists.

Source > http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=37132

[Five-O]

My father still has a lot of animosity towards Japan for the way the Japanese military treated POW's etc during WWII. To this day he has never purchased a Japanese car and tries to avoid Japanese consumer products... and he was ten years too young to serve in WWII. The Japanese killed many more Americans than Radical islamic cowards have or ever will (hopefully) and today Japan is one of our closest and most important trading partners. Of course this happened AFTER the war and after we beat them to submission. The same could be said with Germany.

On Sept 13th 2001 (and for 4 months after) I was as close as the heat, smell and still falling debris would allow me/us to get to Ground Zero...assisting in the rescue and scene security and evidence collection. I saw and smelled first hand what actually happened there and what the islamic radical mutts are capable of. Nobody wanted to even the score more than me...and I was given that opportunity.

My point is: at some point we have to move on, make progress and burry old hatreds and begin the healing process. However (IMHO) that point is not now and I am not sure when it will be time. Eventually that time will come. But it has to be a two way street....and islam must evolve from what it has been for the last 16(?) centuries if we are to coexist.

We are still at war with radical muslims and until they are dead or "love their children more than they hate us", then it is not quite time to build a mosque at Ground Zero.

[Richard]

The possibility of deception cannot here be ruled out,...

Concur.

The placement of mosques throughout Islamic history has been an expression of conquest and superiority over non-Muslims.

This is a historically inaccurate and misleading statement.

The Twin Towers, after all, were the symbol of America’s economic power.

Post-911...perhaps to some.

June 6, D-Day, was chosen because on that day Americans began to beat back from Europe the scourge of a totalitarian and genocidal ideology.

Guess they've never heard of Operations such as Torch, Husky, and Pointblank.

And so it goes...

Richard's jaded $.02

[akv]

This just doesn't pass the smell test. NY'ers on both sides of the aisle, and rightly so, find this offensive. American Muslims if they think this through should realize this issue can only damage perceptions of them nationally, and vindicate Islamophobes. Common sense and tolerance go both ways.

Perhaps I am naive, but there is no way this Mosque opens on 9/11. This is actually a situation in which weak populist leaders could be advantageous, they don't dare cross the voters. Any mayor who lets this happen on his watch is committing political suicide. If the building gets the financing, and all the permits etc, there will be some last second "coincidental red tape inspection" etc.

From a practical standpoint, will the safety inspectors sign off?, how will the police respond to a crowd of protesters holding up pictures of fallen officers from 9/11, or the firemen remembering their fallen brothers.

[T-Rock]

Dr. Sam Solomon, a former professor of Islamic Shari'ah law, and Al Maqdisi, an expert in Islamic teachings, make an interesting case in their book - "Modern Day Trojan Horse: The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration" - that may actually support Mr. Spencer’s assertion regarding mosques being an expression of conquest and superiority over non-Muslims.

They argue that this strategic pattern is part of a 1,400-year-old proscription for Muslims that originates in the Qur’an and the Sunnah, the Hijra or doctrine of immigration.

http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Day-Tro.../dp/0979492955

http://www.americanthinker.com/print...the_hijra.html

[Wiseman]

I don't know how I should feel about this since my friends' fathers died ( they were firefighters) rescuing people in the towers. I think they should let them have it but keep an eye out on who is meeting who in that place and where the money is going from the donations to the mosque.

Originally Posted by akv

This just doesn't pass the smell test,.... Common sense and tolerance go both ways.

Don't look for common sense or tolerance under Shari'ah Law, just keep reloading.

WD

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by wet dog

Don't look for common sense or tolerance under Shari'ah Law, just keep reloading.

WD

WD,

Absolutely..................

Big Teddy

[Penn]

In case you want to voice your opposition at the community Board meeting tonight. I'll be asking for a summary of any communication they have received..use your personal e address...
mano1@cb.nyc.gov
To date 3,497 people have died in the combined attacks of 11 September 2001. First responders continue to die.

[GratefulCitizen]

If built, someone should put a nice, large American Flag on display next to the mosque, directly between it and Mecca.

Wouldn't mind seeing them bow towards it 5 times daily.

[Richard]

I would support a referendum to rename the street upon which the mosque was located to Daniel Pearl Street.

Richard's $.02

[Penn]

They approved it, no one listened, it was a unbelievable confrontation. I will never defend these people, I hope we enter a period of total chaos. They do not deserve the freedoms we defend, or give them.

[T-Rock]

NYC community board okays ground zero mosque plans

Associated Press - May 25, 2010 10:55 PM ET

Critics said the proposed site was an insult to 9/11 victims while supporters said it would build bridges and foster interfaith dialogue.

Ahh......the Kafir.....Building bridges with Shariah, what a wonderful idea...

The Kafir is hated. (Sura 40:35)
The Kafir can be enslaved. (Bukari)
A Kafir can be raped. (1759)
A Kafir can be mocked. (Sura 83:34)
A Kafir can be punsihed. (Sura 25:77)
A Kafir can be beheaded. (Sura 47:4)
A Kafir can be plotted against. (86:15)
A Kafir can be terrorized. (Sura 8:12)
A Kafir can be deceived. (Bukhari)
A Kafir can be annihilated. (Sura 6:45)
A Kafir can be stolen from. (Bukhari)
A Kafir can be killed. (Sura 4:91)
A Kafir can be crucified. (Sura 5:33)

Another bridge to Dhimmitude has been built...

[HOLLiS]

The imam behind a proposed mosque near Ground Zero is a prominent member of a group that helped sponsor the pro-Palestinian activists who clashed violently with Israeli commandos at sea this week.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/interna...#ixzz0q2db8PeE