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Yeah, T-Rock, you're tracking.
We're going to need to refer people who aren't, back to this...
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...a+constitution
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07-21-2010, 08:34
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I think the mosque should be allowed to be built.
Right after Islam destoys the Dome of the Rock and allows the Israeli's to build the Third Temple on the site. Also, the muslims have to allow the pope to build a cathedral in Mecca at the site of the Masjid-al-Haram...
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07-29-2010, 12:45
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No Mosque at Ground Zero
No Mosque at Ground Zero
by Newt Gingrich
07/28/2010
One of our biggest mistakes in the aftermath of 9/11 was naming our response to the attacks “the war on terror” instead of accurately identifying radical Islamists (and the underlying ideology of radical Islamism) as the target of our campaign. This mistake has led to endless confusion about the nature of the ideological and material threat facing the civilized world and the scale of the response that is appropriate.
Radical Islamism is more than simply a religious belief. It is a comprehensive political, economic, and religious movement that seeks to impose sharia—Islamic law—upon all aspects of global society.
Many Muslims see sharia as simply a reference point for their personal code of conduct. They recognize the distinction between their personal beliefs and the laws that govern all people of all faiths.
For the radical Islamist, however, this distinction does not exist. Radical Islamists see politics and religion as inseparable in a way it is difficult for Americans to understand. Radical Islamists assert sharia’s supremacy over the freely legislated laws and values of the countries they live in and see it as their sacred duty to achieve this totalitarian supremacy in practice.
Some radical Islamists use terrorism as a tactic to impose sharia but others use non-violent methods—a cultural, political, and legal jihad that seeks the same totalitarian goal even while claiming to repudiate violence. Thus, the term “war on terrorism” is far too narrow a framework in which to think about the war in which we are engaged against the radical Islamists.
Sharia and Western Civilization
Sharia law is used in many Muslim countries to justify shocking acts of barbarity including stoning, the execution of homosexuals, and the subjugation of women. Sharia does not permit freedom of conscience; it prohibits Muslims from renouncing their Islamic faith or converting to another religion. Sharia does not support religious liberty; it treats non-Muslims as inferior and does not accord them the same protections as Muslims. In these and other instances, sharia is explicitly at odds with core American and Western values. It is an explicit repudiation of freedom of conscience and religious liberty as well as the premise that citizens are equal under the law.
Thus, the radical Islamist effort to impose sharia worldwide is a direct threat to all those who believe in the freedoms maintained by our constitutional system.
Creeping Sharia in the United States
In some ways, it speaks of the goodness of America that we have had such difficulty coming to grips with the challenge of radical Islamists. It is our very commitment to religious liberty that makes us uncomfortable with defining our enemies in a way that appears linked with religious belief.
However, America’s commitment to religious liberty has given radical Islamists a potent rhetorical weapon in their pursuit of sharia supremacy. In a deliberately dishonest campaign exploiting our belief in religious liberty, radical Islamists are actively engaged in a public relations campaign to try and browbeat and guilt Americans (and other Western countries) to accept the imposition of sharia in certain communities, no matter how deeply sharia law is in conflict with the protections afforded by the civil law and the democratic values undergirding our constitutional system.
The problem of creeping sharia is most visibly on display in France and in the United Kingdom, where there are Muslim enclaves in which the police have surrendered authority and sharia reigns. However, worrisome cases are starting to emerge in the United States that show sharia is coming here. Andy McCarthy’s writings, including his new book The Grand Jihad, have been invaluable in tracking instances in which the American government and major public institutions have been unwilling to assert the protections of American law and American values over sharia’s religious code. Some examples include:
In June 2009, a New Jersey state judge rejected an allegation that a Muslim man who punished his wife with pain for hours and then raped her repeatedly was guilty of criminal sexual assault, citing his religious beliefs as proof that he did not believe he was acting in a criminal matter. “This court believes that he was operating under his belief that it is, as the husband, his desire to have sex when and whether he wanted to, was something that was consistent with his practices and it was something that was not prohibited.” Thankfully, this ruling was reversed in an appellate court.
In May 2008, a disabled student at a public college being assisted by a dog was threatened by Muslim members of the student body, who were reluctant to touch the animal by the prescription of sharia. The school, St. Cloud State, chose not to engage the Muslim community, but simply gave the student credit without actually fulfilling the class hours so as to avoid conflict.
In a similar instance in November 2009, a high school senior in Owatonna, Minn., was suspended in order to protect him from the threat of violence by radical Islamists when he wrote an essay about the special privileges afforded his Somali Muslim counterparts in the school environment.
In order to accommodate sharia’s prohibition of interest payments in financial transactions, the state of Minnesota buys homes from realtors and re-sells them to Muslims at an up-front price. It is simply not the function of government to use tax money to create financial transactions that correspond to a religious code. Moreover, it is a strategy to create a precedent for legal recognition of sharia within U.S. law.
Amazingly, there are strong allegations that the United States now owns the largest provider of sharia financing in the world: AIG.
Last month, police in Dearborn, Mich., which has a large Muslim population, arrested Christian missionaries for handing out copies of the Gospel of St. John on charges of “disturbing the peace.” They were doing so on a public street outside an Arab festival in a way that is completely permissible by law, but, of course, forbidden by sharia’s rules on proselytizing. This is a clear case of freedom of speech and the exercise of religious freedom being sacrificed in deference to sharia’s intolerance against the preaching of religions other than Islam.
Shockingly, sharia honor killings—in which Muslim women are murdered by their husbands, brothers or other male family members for dishonoring their family—are also on the rise in America but do not receive national attention because they are considered “domestic disturbances.” (A recent article in Marie Claire Magazine highlights recent cases and the efforts to bring national attention to this horrifying trend.)
Cases like this will become all the more common as radical Islamists grow more and more aggressive in the United States.
It is in this context that the controversy over the proposed mosque near Ground Zero must be seen.
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07-29-2010, 12:46
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Continued...
Exposing Radical Islamist Hypocrisy at Ground Zero
There are many reasons to doubt the stated intentions of Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the man behind the Ground Zero mosque. After 9/11 he did not hesitate to condemn the United States as an “accessory” to the attacks but more recently refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization. This is unsurprising considering he has well-established ties to U.S. branches of the Muslim Brotherhood. He has also refused to reveal the sources of funding for the mosque project, which is projected to cost $100 million.
More importantly, he is an apologist for sharia supremacy. In a recent op-ed, Rauf actually compared sharia law with the Declaration of Independence. This isn’t mere dishonesty; it is an Orwellian attempt to cause moral confusion about the nature of radical Islamism.
The true intentions of Rauf are also revealed by the name initially proposed for the Ground Zero mosque—“Cordoba House”—which is named for a city in Spain where a conquering Muslim army replaced a church with a mosque. This name is a very direct historical indication that the Ground Zero mosque is all about conquest and thus an assertion of Islamist triumphalism which we should not tolerate.
They say they’re interfaith, but they didn’t propose the building of a mosque, church and synagogue. Instead they proposed a 13-story mosque and community center that will extol the glories of Islamic tolerance for people of other faiths, all while overlooking the site where radical Islamists killed almost 3,000 people in a shocking act of hatred.
Building this structure on the edge of the battlefield created by radical Islamists is not a celebration of religious pluralism and mutual tolerance; it is a political statement of shocking arrogance and hypocrisy.
We need to have the moral courage to denounce it. It is simply grotesque to erect a mosque at the site of the most visible and powerful symbol of the horrible consequences of radical Islamist ideology. Well-meaning Muslims, with common human sensitivity to the victims’ families, realize they have plenty of other places to gather and worship. But for radical Islamists, the mosque would become an icon of triumph, encouraging them in their challenge to our civilization.
Apologists for radical Islamist hypocrisy are trying to argue that we have to allow the construction of this mosque in order to prove America’s commitment to religious liberty. They say this despite the fact that there are already over 100 mosques in New York City.
In fact, they’re partially correct—this is a test of our commitment to religious liberty. It is a test to see if we have the resolve to face down an ideology that aims to destroy religious liberty in America, and every other freedom we hold dear.
Your friend,
Newt
P.S. At 2 p.m. on Thursday, I will be delivering a major national security address that builds on these themes.
You can watch it live here:
http://www.torenewamerica.com/rick-p...-of-washington
Mr. Gingrich is the former speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives and author of "To Save America: Stopping Obama's Secular-Socialist Machine", "Real Change: From the World That Fails to the World That Works" and "Winning the Future".
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07-30-2010, 08:02
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My ability to express my righteous indignation over the building of this mosque is gone; because it leads to a most colorful vocabulary! 
Knowing some guys in the FDNY and NYPD, and knowing how those guys are...leads me to one conclusion. This chapter to the heinousness of 9/11 will NEVER happen! Oh sure, the damned thing will be started BUT it will NEVER be finished...EVER!
(some of you know my background...that day wasn't just an attack on America, it was a personal attack for me as well...I lost many friends that day and thought I had lost my husband, until he was able to come home the next day)
If our government is unwilling to do anything about this crap, then Americans need to step up to the plate and finally do something about it!!!
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07-30-2010, 10:30
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"To many Americans, then, the choice to name the mosque “Cordoba” is suggestive of rapprochement and interfaith dialogue; atop the rubble of 9/11, it implies “healing” — a new beginning between Muslims and Americans. The Cordoba Initiative’s mission statement certainly suggests as much:
Cordoba Initiative aims to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, bringing back the atmosphere of interfaith tolerance and respect that we have longed for since Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in harmony and prosperity eight hundred years ago."
Interfaith tolerance and respect? Really? I would have spit coffee all over my monitor with laughter if I weren't so disgusted.
It's amazing to me what some people think they can rook you into believing.
It's also amazing to me the things that we tolerate.
Atop the rubble of the buildings that people of the Islamic faith blew up, people of the Islamic faith are going to build what? A pillar of the Islamic faith? Under the auspices of promoting healing? I guess they're really not too bright if they think that's going to foster any kind of healing.
"WE blew your shit up. Now YOU have to heal." How is THAT supposed to work?
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07-30-2010, 13:13
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Atop the rubble of the buildings that people of the Islamic faith blew up...
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The motives behind building the Mosque are questionable, however, the people who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks were Islamic Terrorists.
In the US, we also have Right-Wing Christian Terrorists. Had the people who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks been Right-Wing Christian Terrorists, would you feel the same anger even though they were American and Christian?
Islamic Terrorists are the enemy not all followers of Islam.
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07-30-2010, 15:05
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What tenets of their faith were violated in the act of killing the Kafir?
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Had the people who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks been Right-Wing Christian Terrorists, would you feel the same anger even though they were American and Christian?
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For me, an astounding YES!
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See, that’s the problem, it’s not the Muslim, it’s the radical ideology of Islamic law that Islam produces through its holy books and the example of its prophet.
Christianity doesn't have any theological legal imperative ( like Sharia) commanding Christians to go out and do violence on Christianities behalf, whereas Islam does. Islam is unique in having a developed doctrine, theology, and legal system (SHARIA) that mandates warfare against unbelievers - where:
o1.2 The following are not subject to retaliation:
(2) a Muslim for killing a non-Muslim
(3) ….for killing an apostate…
(pgs. 580-590 / Reliance of the Traveller)
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o4:17 There is no indemnity for killing a non-Muslim...
(pgs 588-595)
o8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.
o8.2 In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (A: or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed
(A: though if there is no Caliph (def: o25), no permission is required.
(Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law Pages 30-45, 588-595, 595-610).
Islam refers to the non-believer/pagan/christian/atheist as Kafir and promotes a polarized ideology of us vs them because the...
Kafir are evil:
O ye who believe! spend of that wherewith We have provided you ere a day come when there will be no trafficking, nor friendship, nor intercession. The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers. (Sura 2: 254)
And We prescribed for them therein: The life for the life, and the eye for the eye, and the nose for the nose, and the ear for the ear, and the tooth for the tooth, and for wounds retaliation. But whoso forgoeth it (in the way of charity) it shall be expiation for him. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are wrong-doers. (Sura 5:45)
The similitude of those who were charged with the (obligations of the) Mosaic Law, but who subsequently failed in those (obligations), is that of a donkey which carries huge tomes (but understands them not). Evil is the similitude of people who falsify the Signs of God: and God guides not people who do wrong. (Sura 62:5)
Allah has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish in authority their religion - the one which He has chosen for them; and that He will change (their state), after the fear in which they (lived), to one of security and peace: 'They will worship Me (alone) and not associate aught with Me. 'If any do reject Faith after this, they are rebellious and wicked. (Sura 24:55)
No plea had they, when Our terror came unto them, save that they said: Lo! We were wrong-doers.(Sura 7:5)
O Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that he might manifest their shame to them. Lo! he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not. Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not. (Sura 7:27)
Kafir are like animals:
If it had been Our will, We should have elevated him with Our signs; but he inclined to the earth, and followed his own vain desires. His similitude is that of a dog: if you attack him, he lolls out his tongue, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls out his tongue. That is the similitude of those who reject Our signs; So relate the story; perchance they may reflect. (Sura 7:176)
Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah? (Worse is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen and of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road. (Sura 5:60)
When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions, We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected." (Sura 7:166)
Or thinkest thou that most of them listen or understand? They are only like cattle; - nay, they are worse astray in Path. (Sura 25: 44)
Kafir are Unclean:
O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. (Sura 9:28)
Kafir are unintelligent:
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you twenty steadfast they shall overcome two hundred, and if there be of you a hundred (steadfast) they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are a folk without intelligence. (Sura 8:65)
Kafir are the worst of creatures:
For the vilest beasts in God's sight, are the deaf, the dumb, who understand not. (Sura 8:22)
For the worst of beasts in the sight of God are those who reject Him: They will not believe. (Sura 8: 55)
Verily those who believe not, among those who have received the scriptures, and among the idolaters, [shall be cast] into the fire of hell, to remain therein [for ever]. These are the worst of creatures. (Sura 98:6)
Therefore, the Kafir can be Hated:
They who dispute the signs of Allah [kafirs] without authority having reached them are greatly hated by Allah and the believers. So Allah seals up every arrogant, disdainful heart. and despised by Allah. (Sura 40:35)
The Kafir can be mocked:
On that day the faithful will mock the kafirs, while they sit on bridal couches and watch them. Should not the kafirs be paid back for what they did? (Sura 83:34)
The Kafir can be punished:
Say to the kafirs: My Lord does not care for you or your prayers. You have rejected the truth, so sooner or later, a punishment will come. (Sura 25:77)
The Kafir can be beheaded:
When you encounter the kafirs on the battlefield, cut off their heads until you have thor-oughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up firmly. (Sura 47:4)
The Kafir can be confused:
Some among them listen to you [Mohammed], but We have cast veils over their [kafirs] hearts and a heaviness to their ears so that they cannot understand our signs [the Koran]. (Sura 6:25)
The Kafir can be plotted against:
They plot and scheme against you [Mohammed], and I plot and scheme against them. Therefore, deal calmly with the kafirs and leave them alone for a while. (Sura 86:15)
The Kafir can be terrorized:
Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, "I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the kafirs' hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fin-gers!" (Sura 8:12)
The Kafir can be annihilated:
So the kafirs were annihilated. All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds. (Sura 6:45)
The Kafir can be killed:
If they do not keep away from you or offer you peace or withdraw their hostilities, then seize them and kill them wherever they are. We give you complete authority over them. (Sura 4:91)
The Kafir can be crucified:
The only reward for those who war against Allah and His messengers and strive to com-mitt mischief on the earth is that they will be slain or crucified, have their alternate hands and feet cut off, or be banished from the land. This will be their disgrace in this world, and a great torment shall be theirs in the next except those who repent before you overpower them. Know that Allah is forgiving and merciful. (Sura 5:33)
War should be made on the Kafir:
Make war on those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Christians] but do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day. They do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden. The Christians and Jews do not follow the religion of truth until they submit and pay the poll tax [jizya], and they are humiliated. (Sura 9:29)
A Muslim should not be friends with the Kafir:
Believers should not take kafirs as friends in preference to other believers. Those who do this will have none of Allah's protection and will only have themselves as guards. Allah warns you to fear Him for all will return to Him. (Sura 3:28)
A Kafir can be cursed:
They [kafirs] will be cursed, and wherever they are found, they will be seized and mur-dered. It was Allah's same practice with those who came before them, and you will find no change in Allah's ways. (Sura 33:60-61)
Source > http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/c.../muslim/quran/
> http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/c...muslim/hadith/
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07-30-2010, 16:54
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The motives behind building the Mosque are questionable, however, the people who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks were Islamic Terrorists.
In the US, we also have Right-Wing Christian Terrorists. Had the people who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks been Right-Wing Christian Terrorists, would you feel the same anger even though they were American and Christian?
Islamic Terrorists are the enemy not all followers of Islam.
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Bubblehead, really? You sort of negated your point with that point. If not all islamic terrorists are not followers of islam, then what are they? Christians? Buddhists? Franciscan monks? Atheists? Satanists?
T-Rock, great post! I agree with you 100%!
At this point, I am really tired of the contrast/comparison of muslims to Christians! This is like comparing apples to oranges. If a fellow Christian went out and perpetrated the crimes and horror that muslims have against Christians...I would want his/her butt punished to the fullest and would speak out against them. Of course, in any religion/ideology besides islam, you can speak out like that without losing your head!
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07-30-2010, 17:10
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Questionable? How would you feel if a museum about the Japanese Military was being built at...say...Pearl Harbor?
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Bubblehead, really? You sort of negated your point with that point. If not all islamic terrorists are not followers of islam, then what are they? Christians? Buddhists? Franciscan monks? Atheists? Satanists
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Enablers and support personnel, mostly.
At best, ambivalent.
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07-30-2010, 22:04
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At this point, I am really tired of the contrast/comparison of muslims to Christians! This is like comparing apples to oranges.
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Same here, and I‘m tired of those who fail to recognize the difference between the ideology (Islam) vs. the individual human (the average Muslim) vs. those who’ve succumbed to Islam’s radical ideology (devout practitioners/true believers) - what I would really like to know from dhimmis who apologize for the blemishes of Islam is this - How exactly has Islam been hijacked by a tiny majority of terrorists ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQmCZjJ0k
The legal system of Islam condoned by Islamic scholars pretty much say otherwise to most arguments made by apologists…just read “The Reliance of the Traveller”, a manual of Islamic Law exercised by a very LARGE portion of the worlds practicing Muslims, sanctioned by Al-Azhar University.
Complacency and appeasement on the part of the apologist can only serve Islam. These professional advocates of Islam accuse those who sound the alarm as racist, bigots and hate mongers, only to seduce the uninformed into a slumbering acquiescence.
No matter what the apologist labels it: "Islamic Fundamentalism", "Islamic Extremism", "Totalitarian Islam", "Islamofascism", "Political Islam", "Militant Islam", "Bin Ladenism", "Islamonazism", "Radical Islam", "Islamism", etc.…, the enemy calls it Islam, and it IS codified by Sharia Law…
I’ve only known Islam’s violent bloody era that began with the suicide bombings against American and French peacekeeping forces in Beirut in 1983, and the murder of Robert Stethem, but after reading a little history, I’ll have to agree with Thomas Jefferson and John Quincy Adams…
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(O: Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the religion.
o9.1 Jihad is a communal obligation (def: c3.2). When enough people perform it to successfully accomplish it, it is no longer obligatory upon others.
(The Reliance of the Traveler. Pgs 599-609)
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http://www.amazon.com/Reliance-Trave.../dp/0915957728
Islam’s ideology must be confronted if it’s ever going to change….
IMO, the hallmark of a dangerous cult is a penalty for leaving….Islam imposes the ultimate penalty - Death.
c2.5 The unlawful (haram) is what the Law giver strictly forbids. Someone who commits an unlawful act deserves punishment...
(3) and unbelief (kufr), sins which put one beyond the pale of Islam (as discussed at o8.7) and neccessitate stating the Testification of faith (Shahada)...
o8.2 In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (A: or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed
(Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law Pages 30-45, 588-595, 595-610).
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog.../blog_id/28837
Islam's status as a religion should be changed to that of a cult, until it reforms itself….just my $00.02
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07-31-2010, 01:02
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Asset
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I personally don't believe the intentions of the creators of the mosque are hostile. I think the people who have hostile intentions will be operating with stealth and avoiding publicity. As that mosque is going to be watched closely by the security services, any untoward plans will surely be snuffed out. So I don't think this will be like the Finsbury Park mosque in England.
To me what is problematic is the symbolism. Destroying a place of worship and building a mosque over it is quite common. It is important to defeat these symbols, and make it clear that we have not been fooled and we have not forgotten.
I was pretty shocked when I heard about it, the religion of peace lecturing the rest of the world about tolerance.
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08-03-2010, 11:16
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Guerrilla
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gypsy
Questionable? How would you feel if a museum about the Japanese Military was being built at...say...Pearl Harbor?
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In a way, the U.S. built it for them. The Pearl Harbor vets that could be found near the memorials of Pearl Harbor have spoken about visiting Japanese who are fascinated by the Arizona memorial. In those visiting Japanese view, it's their history of Japanese victory of the attack on Pearl. It's their memorial of Japanese heroes of that attack.
I wonder what companies and contractors will be demolishing the present building, and building that Mosque.
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