Body Believed to Be Missing California Teen Found

Originally Posted by Pete

Something along the lines of "Not my fault".

Ever notice how the folks that create this situation don't have to live next to the scum? Prosecutors, Judges, Parole Boards? They all get a free pass and let the scum walk into someone else's life to ruin it.

Not keeping up to closely with this.... up to my eyeballs in schoool/reading again... but it seemed to me that the previous prosecutor asked for 10 yrs, got 6 and he served 5 of his sentence. A lot of it goes to sentencing guidelines and the judges discretion. Blame the judge, for handing down the lighter sentence, not the prosecutor.
MOO

AM

[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by armymom1228

Not keeping up to closely with this.... up to my eyeballs in schoool/reading again... but it seemed to me that the previous prosecutor asked for 10 yrs, got 6 and he served 5 of his sentence. A lot of it goes to sentencing guidelines and the judges discretion. Blame the judge, for handing down the lighter sentence, not the prosecutor.
MOO

AM

From the news article:

A sex offender suspected in the disappearance of Chelsea King was arrested Sunday in connection with her disappearance. He served only five years in prison for molesting a girl a decade ago after prosecutors rejected a psychiatrist's advice to seek a stiffer punishment, court documents state.

Prosecutors said in 2000 that John Albert Gardner III's lack of significant prior criminal record justified less than the maximum sentence for molesting a 13-year-old girl.

Originally Posted by SF-TX

From the news article:

SEE, I told ya I wasn't keep up to closely...but the judge still has discretion and had acess to the psych eval. I know, I got my ass chewed by Hizzoner in chambers yesterday for not mentioning it in my GAL recommendations.. wouldn't have changed my rec's but still... the judge has a lot of discretion in his sentence.
In this case, custody awarding.

Hizzoner more than likely had the guys 'rap' sheet there in front of him. He had the prosecutors reccomendations and the abliity to see the psych eval if he chose.

Yeah the prosecutor still has some dirt on his/her hands. The end result still rests with the person doing the actual sentencing in my book.

In Tampa there is this judge, 'hanging harry". His fellow judges only allow him to hear first arraingements and misdemeanors because of his style and attitude. He has a well known and documented history of giving max sentences to 1st time offenders. He made a lot of money for the City of Tampa when he was a traffic judge. His fines were enourmous...lmao.. Unfortunately he is an elected judge, therefore getting him tossed out is not much of an option. He has been brought oup on ethics and complaints before the bar numerous times and always manages to skinny out the door law license in hand.
The point I am making is that the final sentencing does rest on the shoulders of the judge doing the sentencing. The prosecution can ask or reccomend but in the end they are not the ones doing the sentencing.
AM

[Red Flag 1]

Originally Posted by PSM

He's found and in custody. But he ain't going to die quickly in this state.

Pat

Save the taxpayers a bundle, please all but the ACLU; send the perp to live with the victims family for a year or so.

RF 1

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Red Flag 1

Save the taxpayers a bundle, please all but the ACLU; send the perp to live with the victims family for a year or so.

RF 1

Good point RF1, I second the motion!

Big Teddy

Originally Posted by SF-TX

From the news article:Prosecutors said in 2000 that John Albert Gardner III's lack of significant prior criminal record justified less than the maximum sentence for molesting a 13-year-old girl.

Therein lay the rub. It is a catch 22 situation. Is it a one time situation or will he offend again. With no priors, its a crap shoot. However the simple fact that he is charged with that particular crime and statistics have shown that his sort does offend again and again and again. He should have not be put in prison but in a program for sex offenders.

Castration is not an option, this is not about testosterone. It is about a behavior. If it were about testosterone, I could conceivably argue that any male on this board is a potential molester. There are many more factors than simply having a pair of em. YMMV. My personal opinion is that someone like him needs to be removed from the planet period as quickly as possible. I would not waste a bullet on him though, that would be wasting too much money and bullet abuse.. a quick knife to the jugular, let him bleed out and walk away. MOO ....Shrug...........
YMMV
AM

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by armymom1228

Therein lay the rub. It is a catch 22 situation. Is it a one time situation or will he offend again. With no priors, its a crap shoot. However the simple fact that he is charged with that particular crime and statistics have shown that his sort does offend again and again and again. He should have not be put in prison but in a program for sex offenders.

Castration is not an option, this is not about testosterone. It is about a behavior. If it were about testosterone, I could conceivably argue that any male on this board is a potential molester. There are many more factors than simply having a pair of em. YMMV. My personal opinion is that someone like him needs to be removed from the planet period as quickly as possible. I would not waste a bullet on him though, that would be wasting too much money and bullet abuse.. a quick knife to the jugular, let him bleed out and walk away. MOO ....Shrug...........
YMMV
AM

Geeze anne,I'm never going to piss you off !........ A quick knife to the jugular,WOW........

Big Teddy

[Defender968]

Originally Posted by armymom1228

My personal opinion is that someone like him needs to be removed from the planet period as quickly as possible. I would not waste a bullet on him though, that would be wasting too much money and bullet abuse.. a quick knife to the jugular, let him bleed out and walk away. MOO ....Shrug...........
YMMV
AM

Couldn't agree more, the recidivism rate for sexual offenders especially molesters is ridiculous, IMO there is no way to protect society and our young without removing these predators from the herd..

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

Geeze anne,I'm never going to piss you off !........ :: A quick knife to the jugular,WOW........

Big Teddy

Teddy darlin' you could never make me mad at you...no way.... but bleeding out is painless and it takes minimal time. Besides trash like that is not worth the cost of a bullet/electricity/drugs.

Edited to add: I am NOT a lawyer. In Fla one can be a volunteer GAL. I took the course in 1996 because I strongly believe that children need a nuetral voice in court. It is part and parcel of my beliefs that its the only right thing to do to give a voice to those who have none in our legal system.
http://www.guardianadlitem.org/vol_main.asp

FAQ about Fla's GAL program
http://www.guardianadlitem.org/vol_faq.asp

[afchic]

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

ABC Evening News last night reported that there are "700,000" registered sex offenders in the United States,however their registrations are not kept up to date..... The police checked out some and found one that lived across the street from a school.... They had one in here in Mississippi that was sentenced to 5 years,go out after 11 months,and was just arrested for doing the same thing again.....

Big Teddy

The problem that lies with this number is how many are actual sex offenders? I agree wholeheartedly with everything that is said about the people that are out there molesting kids. My father's advice for judgement in these cases is take them to an old deserted building, nails their penis to a wooden object, give them an old rusty knife, set the place on fire, and give them the choice on whether they are going to live or die.

The problem with the sex offenders registry, as I see it, is you have kids in there that have to register because the 19 year old boyfriend was having consentual sex with the 17 year old girlfriend, her parnets got pissed and had him arrested for statutory rape. These folks are mixed in with the true pedophiles that need to be drawn and quartered.

Until the justice system can find a way of truly classifying, and hanging the folks that really deserve it, and find another way to deal with the folks that are involved with the example above, we will continue to have these problems.

[Masochist]

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

ABC Evening News last night reported that there are "700,000" registered sex offenders in the United States,however their registrations are not kept up to date..... The police checked out some and found one that lived across the street from a school.... They had one in here in Mississippi that was sentenced to 5 years,go out after 11 months,and was just arrested for doing the same thing again.....

Big Teddy

Turns out a repeat offender in his 60s with a predilection for younger teenage boys lives across the street from my mom, and only a few hundred yards from an all-boys reform school. The authorities don't seem to care about his proximity, but the neighborhood keeps a tight watch on his every move.

Then again, this is the same area where two judges were indicted last summer in a "kids-for-cash" kickback scheme. They allegedly accepted more than $2.5 million in kickbacks for sending juveniles to two private, for-profit detention facilities.

Good thing I had some great parents watching out for me and my brother in our younger years, as it seems other adults don't seem to do the same.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Masochist

Turns out a repeat offender in his 60s with a predilection for younger teenage boys lives across the street from my mom, ....

Ha! My wife's reaction? She checks the online listing every so often and a while back found out one moved in one street over. She printed out the sheet and went house to house throughout the neighborhood passing it out. Neighbors thanked her and the dude moved out shortly.

[Red Flag 1]

Originally Posted by armymom1228

Therein lay the rub. It is a catch 22 situation. Is it a one time situation or will he offend again. With no priors, its a crap shoot. However the simple fact that he is charged with that particular crime and statistics have shown that his sort does offend again and again and again. He should have not be put in prison but in a program for sex offenders.

Castration is not an option, this is not about testosterone. It is about a behavior. If it were about testosterone, I could conceivably argue that any male on this board is a potential molester. There are many more factors than simply having a pair of em. YMMV. My personal opinion is that someone like him needs to be removed from the planet period as quickly as possible. I would not waste a bullet on him though, that would be wasting too much money and bullet abuse.. a quick knife to the jugular, let him bleed out and walk away. MOO ....Shrug...........
YMMV
AM

A thought or two. Hormones do play a part, but not the whole part. History is very likely to decide the impact of hormones on behavior. That having been said, history decides the hormone driven behavior; not always sexual.....hence repeat offenders. In general the sexual abuser was also abused at a very early age, with no way to resolve the trauma. That dictates how the abused will respond to make him/herself feel comfortable; this is not a pure male event. IMHO, the abused looks for punishment for the abuser by abusing another innocent, a transfer of pain that will not go away...."and so it goes".

It is very clear that we have yet to find an answer to the problem of sexual abuse. Long and criminally short incarceration is not working. Psych intervention is not working very well....so what is the answer?

One of my thoughts has been to, in the male, remove the offending appendage and leave the testes.....frustration!! But then, the perp would just find another way to abuse; Lord I hate this in "man".

My $.02.

RF 1

[Gypsy]

Originally Posted by Pete

Ever notice how the folks that create this situation don't have to live next to the scum? Prosecutors, Judges, Parole Boards? They all get a free pass and let the scum walk into someone else's life to ruin it.

Maybe they should be held accountable as accessories to assault/murder.

[Masochist]

Originally Posted by Pete

Ha! My wife's reaction? She checks the online listing every so often and a while back found out one moved in one street over. She printed out the sheet and went house to house throughout the neighborhood passing it out. Neighbors thanked her and the dude moved out shortly.

How do you think the neighborhood found out about his previous activities? She makes sure to keep him on a short leash, and readily informs him that she has a baseball bat behind her front door. No matter how old I get, I always try to stay on her good side.