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iamwill · 01-24-2010, 19:46

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Sigaba · 01-24-2010, 20:21

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Originally Posted by Paslode

Yeah [Theodore Roosevelt] was a progressive....

As were Wilson, Hoover, and FDR.

Moreover, military and naval historians point to the progressive movement as the foundation for much needed reforms in the army and navy after the Spanish-American War.

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Originally Posted by Paslode

Hell, [the president] had ... the Mao ornament on the [White House Christmas] tree....

To clarify, the ornament was made from a portrait of Mao done by Andy Warhol. From my reading of commentary on that portrait, Warhol was hardly celebrating Mao. (Then again, he was not exactly celebrating modern American politics either.) The broader point here is that I think the message of that ornament is a bit more open-ended than many have concluded.

My own opinion is that, given the controversy surrounding Mao and the number of criticisms the president has received for being a communist, the fact that the ornament made it to the tree at all is yet more proof that amateur hour continues at the White House.

Then again, given my view of the president's intellect (I think he's excruciatingly stupid), I would not at all be surprised if he thought the irony of the ornament would be a "funny" way to thumb his nose at many American citizens.

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Originally Posted by Paslode

That is messed up IMO, you shouldn't find any of them!

Your point raises a key question. Should free speech be limited because we find examples odious?

Paslode · 01-24-2010, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Sigaba

Your point raises a key question. Should free speech be limited because we find examples odious?

After posting I found myself pondering that as well. As much I hate to say it, no you cannot limit freedom of speech no matter how foul it appears. It is a really dicey issue in that you would merely be eliminating one problem for another.

Actually, my daughter and I had that conversation last year. She wanted a Che Tee , Che looked 'Hot' and 'it is only a T-Shirt Dad'.

So I asked my daughter if she who Che was, she answered ' he's the guy with the Beanie and Goatee on the T-Shirts'. Yes, but what did Che do? She said/asked 'Wasn't he a President, Soldier or something....I dunno'.

I told her to read up on him, she did and she changed her mind on the T-shirt.

My daughter also had a teacher that year who preached that Obama was going to save the world and change the USA.....REALLY??? 1. Ask your teacher when Obama become President of the World. 2. Ask her how Obama can make any changes without first going through the House and the Senate?

End result, she pissed the teacher off.

So maybe the solution is providing a thorough and better balance of education, and maybe re-runs School House Rock.

01-24-2010, 22:27

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Originally Posted by iamwill

In China, even in Beijing, the amount of Mao paraphernalia one can find everywhere is astonishing... t-shirts, alarm clocks, posters, hats, etc

Local Chinese know how to make a buck. They see the demand, especially to mindless tourists. Mao'd be rolling in his grave, if he had one.

Ah, blessed capitalism...

Making choices based on ignorance is not reserved to <put in your own ists>.

T-Rock · 01-24-2010, 23:51

If my daughter ever asks for a Che T-Shirt, this will be the one I get her:
http://www.thoseshirts.com/checap.html

Richard · 01-25-2010, 05:58

RE Post #21 - ASTOUNDING (insert shaking head smiley here).

Richard

Warrior-Mentor · 01-25-2010, 06:59

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Originally Posted by T-Rock

If my daughter ever asks for a Che T-Shirt, this will be the one I get her:
http://www.thoseshirts.com/checap.html

I'd go this way:
http://www.thoseshirts.com/lousy.html

But I share your sentiment.

Sigaba · 01-25-2010, 07:54

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

Entire post.

Broadsword2004--

I think familiarizing yourself with corporatism might help your analysis of the Nazi dictatorship's political economy.

HTH.

Richard · 01-25-2010, 08:11

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I think familiarizing yourself with corporatism might help your analysis of the Nazi dictatorship's political economy.

Ditto with Imperial Germany, Bismarck, the Industrial Revolution, and socialism.

Richard

Utah Bob · 01-25-2010, 19:15

Beck is not on my Christmas card list.
That's all I'm sayin.

steel71 · 01-26-2010, 21:10

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Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

It is a good book, also read the books by John Taylor Gatto on the history of American education, it kind of ties into this stuff.

Yes, Gatto explains where this educational system (indoctrination system) originated from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ogCc8ObiwQ

Claemore · 01-27-2010, 15:19

What I liked about the show is this: it provided facts about parts of history that I wasn't taught. I can see why liberals get pissed off about Beck, Ann Coulter, etc. Why liberals get pissed off about me. Unfortunately I know a few more than I like. Because facts are presented and then aimed at people that are either liberal, or someone that liberals admire. These days, yes, liberals do, no one can deny it, popularize, admire, fondle, cover for, whatever scumbags like Che, Mao, Obama, er I mean Osama.

Liberals do not like to be wrong, but frequently are. They like to think of themselves as "intellectuals", but are usually devoid of life experience. If they do have life experience, then in a lot of cases they are in leadership positions, or in those positions that require them to hand out the kool aid.

Sigaba · 01-27-2010, 16:03

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Originally Posted by Claemore

[Liberals] like to think of themselves as "intellectuals", but are usually devoid of life experience. If they do have life experience, then in a lot of cases they are in leadership positions, or in those positions that require them to hand out the kool aid.

IMO, the two sensibilities described in this comment are sides of the same coin. Both are overly broad generalizations used to dismiss out of hand the views, opinions, and experiences of those who have the temerity to disagree with each other.

YMMV.

Claemore · 01-27-2010, 17:57

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Originally Posted by Sigaba

IMO, the two sensibilities described in this comment are sides of the same coin. Both are overly broad generalizations used to dismiss out of hand the views, opinions, and experiences of those who have the temerity to disagree with each other.

YMMV.

The way I set the comment up, yes. I do believe that "liberals" consider themselves "intellectuals", in terms of those that are not sitting on welfare, watching the hell out of Jerry Springer, and what have you. The ones that do have the criminal background, are on welfare, are cranking out babies, they are the admitted clueless and will continue voting with emotion instead of reason.

Richard · 01-27-2010, 19:28

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The way I set the comment up, yes. I do believe that "liberals" consider themselves "intellectuals", in terms of those that are not sitting on welfare, watching the hell out of Jerry Springer, and what have you. The ones that do have the criminal background, are on welfare, are cranking out babies, they are the admitted clueless and will continue voting with emotion instead of reason.

Your eyes are obviously brown - you should be quiet for awhile now.

Richard