Shoot or No-Shoot? - Page 2

BadMuther · 07-23-2004, 21:37

I hope the guy gets off, but this being the People's Republik.......

Huey14 · 07-23-2004, 22:10

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Originally posted by The Reaper
No offense, but that is why you live where you do, and we live here.

The only thing I fault the homeowner for is poor marksmanship, but it wasn't his piece and the sights may have been off. He didn't hit anyone else, regardless.

A man comes into my house with a gun in his hand and evil intent, I would track him to the end of the Earth to be sure that SOB never threatened anyone again.

If he was bold enough to come after me, he would have no compunction about going after my mother, my wife, or my kids.

We have a major problem with criminal predators here that I do not believe you have. Come live in a major US city for a while and read the paper daily.

That scumbag needed to die. I would help him reach fulfilment.

TR

None taken.

My viewpoint is a bit...skewered I suppose from living here. Our crime trends are 5 years (I think it was) behind Australia, who are about the same from the U.S. My line of thinking was for the people on the street, though. I'm sure being shot wouldn't be the highlight of their week.

We have only begun to see Methamphetimine hit the streets here in a major way in the past 2 years. Since then extreme violence has gone way up.

Probably in 10 years my viewpoint will be similar to yours.

I don't doubt he needed to die either.

For the record, anyone who goes into a home anywhere NEAR Ft. Bragg is asking for not a small amount of trouble!

**The Reaper** · 07-23-2004, 22:41

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Originally posted by Huey14
For the record, anyone who goes into a home anywhere NEAR Ft. Bragg is asking for not a small amount of trouble!

You would think that, with the heavy concentration of privately owned weapons, soldiers, and combat vets, yet I believe that every week there are about 120 larcenies, 40 burglaries, 12 aggravated assaults, 12 stolen cars, 8 armed robberies, an arson case, a rape, and a couple of murders per month. Fayetteville averages two to three times the national crime rate.

Most of this is, IMHO, poverty and drug related.

TR

Solid · 07-24-2004, 04:02

When I was seven I was with my friend at his grandfather's house (in the middle of nowhere). His grandma left for lunch with some friends, and grandpa grabs both of us and tells us to follow him. We go into the lobby and he opens a closet near the door in which is a large gun safe (with the keys dangling next to it..!) inside is a variety of weapons, from high powered revolvers to shotguns and rifles. He takes a handgun out and shows us how to shoot (thing almost took my arms off with the recoil! He had to hold my backstraight when I shot it, but at close range I was good to go). Afterwards, he tells us-

Remember kids- always aim for the chest or the stomach. The head is often too small a target when you're scared. And always- ALWAYS!- remember to shoot into the cieling after you've dropped him, so you can tell the police you even fired a warning shot.

That day still makes me smile

Solid

whizit · 07-24-2004, 07:05

Locasl story from the last few days

Henry County, VA - The pieces are starting to come together... as police investigate that body found in Henry County. They now say it started with a home break-in in Pittsylvania County... with at least three shots apparently fired -- the home's owner fired two of those shots. Including... police believe... the one that killed Jerry Weadon.

Investigators are still looking for some answers in this case... but say the law is very specific when it comes to self-defense.

Investigators say the man found on the side of Morgan Ford Road was shot while trying to break into a home in Pittsylvania County. Jerry Weadon's burning car -- found just two miles up the road.

Sheriff's deputies were called to a home in the Dry Fork area several hours before Weadon's body was discovered. The homeowner -- David Gammon -- says he was sleeping when three men drove into his porch, kicking the door in and firing a shot. Gammon fired back ... and fired again as the men drove away.

When he fired the shot that ultimately killed Weadon isn't clear -- but he is claiming self-defense.

Major Gary Goodson, Pittsylvania Co. Sheriff's Dept. - "The law of the Commonwealth of Virginia is basically you can meet deadly force with deadly force."

Investigators aren't commenting on this case specifically -- but say self-defense law is clear.

Goodson - "If you feel threatened for your life then of course you can meet a threat with a threat, which means deadly force with deadly force."

But according to the law ... if the threat -- an intruder -- begins to leave ... police say you are no longer under attack.

Goodson - "Even though he still may be armed with a weapon, the threat as far as the Commonwealth is concerned is that the threat has left, so you cannot meet deadly force with an individual that's retreating."

Again -- investigators have NOT charged David Gammon with any crimes ... the case is still under investigation. They are also still looking for one of the suspects -- 42-year-old Timothy Thornton. If you have any information -- call the Pittsylvania County Sheriff's Office.

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**Jack Moroney (RIP)** · 07-24-2004, 07:28

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Originally posted by Bill Harsey
Dear Col. Thank you for your enlightened and heart felt exhibition of both caring and understanding of those less fortunate who would break your door down to take your stuff and/or your life. I will follow your humanitarian example of how to be of the most possible service to those in need.

Damn Bill, now I am going to have to seek legal advice from those barristers in this forum because I think you may have made me responsible for any acts you may perpetrate now or in the future based on my views. You know, sort of like suing the knife maker for plying his trade to the level of excellence you do when the knife you made was used in a violent act and all the subsequent suits to support that suit against the farmer who grew the cow whose leather was used for the sheath. Let's not forget the steel maker, the miner, the transportation folks, the public service folks for the power they supplied, the postal service for delivery of the item, etc, etc, etc. Guess I had too much coffee this morning. Got to go burn some of this off.

Jack Moroney

**Bill Harsey** · 07-24-2004, 07:40

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Originally posted by Huey14
None taken.

My viewpoint is a bit...skewered I suppose from living here. Our crime trends are 5 years (I think it was) behind Australia, who are about the same from the U.S. My line of thinking was for the people on the street, though. I'm sure being shot wouldn't be the highlight of their week.

We have only begun to see Methamphetimine hit the streets here in a major way in the past 2 years. Since then extreme violence has gone way up.

Probably in 10 years my viewpoint will be similar to yours.

I don't doubt he needed to die either.

For the record, anyone who goes into a home anywhere NEAR Ft. Bragg is asking for not a small amount of trouble!

That meth shit is bad out here. It migrated up from California when the law enforcement from that state went after it hard about 15 years ago, the manufacturers came up here because we have some big spaces with law agencies stretched thin. I've slept with a 12 gauge pump (#4 shot, extended range 3 inch magnums, no plug) nearby so long I can't remember it not being there. The burglary and home break in rate is extremely high, the sheriff won't even investigate a report of theft here and the DA won't prosecute because there are too many of them. It's every man for himself when it comes to defense of home and property around here because of meth bullshit. You have to change your way of thinking when a driver cuts you off or is acting in an eratic manner, meth use could be in play so if you engage that person the old rules don't apply. I have no forgiveness whatsoever if meth is involved.

**Bill Harsey** · 07-24-2004, 07:45

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Originally posted by Jack Moroney
Damn Bill, now I am going to have to seek legal advice from those barristers in this forum because I think you may have made me responsible for any acts you may perpetrate now or in the future based on my views. You know, sort of like suing the knife maker for plying his trade to the level of excellence you do when the knife you made was used in a violent act and all the subsequent suits to support that suit against the farmer who grew the cow whose leather was used for the sheath. Let's not forget the steel maker, the miner, the transportation folks, the public service folks for the power they supplied, the postal service for delivery of the item, etc, etc, etc. Guess I had too much coffee this morning. Got to go burn some of this off.

Jack Moroney

Sir, No worries, I always take full responsibility for anything I do no matter what the resulting mess is. On the other hand, this could work, "Your honor, I've come under the influence of a group of..."

**Bill Harsey** · 07-24-2004, 07:47

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Originally posted by Jack Moroney
You know, sort of like suing the knife maker for plying his trade to the level of excellence you do when the knife you made was used in a violent act and all the subsequent suits to support that suit against the farmer who grew the cow whose leather was used for the sheath. Let's not forget the steel maker, the miner, the transportation folks, the public service folks for the power they supplied, the postal service for delivery of the item, etc, etc, etc. Guess I had too much coffee this morning. Got to go burn some of this off.

Jack Moroney

Jack! Don't give them any more ideas!

Huey14 · 07-24-2004, 09:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Bill Harsey
That meth shit is bad out here. It migrated up from California when the law enforcement from that state went after it hard about 15 years ago, the manufacturers came up here because we have some big spaces with law agencies stretched thin. I've slept with a 12 gauge pump (#4 shot, extended range 3 inch magnums, no plug) nearby so long I can't remember it not being there. The burglary and home break in rate is extremely high, the sheriff won't even investigate a report of theft here and the DA won't prosecute because there are too many of them. It's every man for himself when it comes to defense of home and property around here because of meth bullshit. You have to change your way of thinking when a driver cuts you off or is acting in an eratic manner, meth use could be in play so if you engage that person the old rules don't apply. I have no forgiveness whatsoever if meth is involved.

NZ Police have to send Meth samples over to Australia to be analysed now, it's overpowered them that much.

A year ago there was a case were a guy cut up a woman with a Samuari sword and cut the forearm off another. High on "P" (one of the street names for it. P for Pure).

I hated gangs before; I hate them even more now they're manufacturing harder drugs than Cannabis.

Did you guys up there hear about the $500m Meth lab bust up in Fiji?

NousDefionsDoc · 07-24-2004, 10:06

Poor tradecraft - again.

BadMuther · 07-24-2004, 10:53

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Originally posted by The Reaper
You would think that, with the heavy concentration of privately owned weapons, soldiers, and combat vets, yet I believe that every week there are about 120 larcenies, 40 burglaries, 12 aggravated assaults, 12 stolen cars, 8 armed robberies, an arson case, a rape, and a couple of murders per month. Fayetteville averages two to three times the national crime rate.

Most of this is, IMHO, poverty and drug related.

TR

Man, that is crazy!! I didn't realize it was like that.

Bill,

Where I used to live (Pierce County Washington) and where I live now (Riverside County California) take turns flipflopping at being the worst county in the nation for methlabs........

Where I live the city is very easily divided by the freeway, nice homes on my side, crackhouses on the other, so I really don't see too many methheads, but I know they are close by.....

**The Reaper** · 07-24-2004, 11:12

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Originally posted by BadMuther
Man, that is crazy!! I didn't realize it was like that.

FYI:

http://fayettevillenc.areaconnect.com/crime1.htm

TR

BadMuther · 07-24-2004, 11:27

Wow....sounds like a bigger version of Tilliscum for you 1st groupers/Lewis guys!

**The Reaper** · 07-24-2004, 11:32

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Originally posted by BadMuther
Wow....sounds like a bigger version of Tilliscum for you 1st groupers/Lewis guys!

The only thing that makes Fayetteville look good is when you check out Lumberton just to the south.

Must be the AO of every thief in NC.

http://www.bestplaces.net/html/crime...ty=9910&view=T

TR