Which M4? - Page 2

Sabre2G · 01-10-2010, 15:39

From my understanding you're looking for something pretty basic to start with. I sort of start in the same place. I chose to go with bushmaster. I have had nothing but, great reliability with this rifle even before I had changed anything about it. Prices can get a little steep but, usually those are packages that come with extra toys for the weapon (hard case, sling, magazine, etc..). For the most part they are all right around $1100 but, that is straight from bushmaster. I know you can get them for around $800 through various shops. I'd say check out gunbroker.com you can find some great deals on there.

HisDisciple · 01-10-2010, 18:00

Hope, I didn't step on any toes here just want to offer some options.

You're making my head hurt. If somebody asks a question and you don't have extensive personal experience, do not post. Peregrino

kgoerz · 01-10-2010, 18:02

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Originally Posted by Sabre2G

From my understanding you're looking for something pretty basic to start with. I sort of start in the same place. I chose to go with bushmaster. I have had nothing but, great reliability with this rifle even before I had changed anything about it. Prices can get a little steep but, usually those are packages that come with extra toys for the weapon (hard case, sling, magazine, etc..). For the most part they are all right around $1100 but, that is straight from bushmaster. I know you can get them for around $800 through various shops. I'd say check out gunbroker.com you can find some great deals on there.

I concur. Check out the various other Forums that cater to for sale threads. Some require a certain amount of post or time as a member to access their for sale sections. 99% of my accessories were purchased used this way. Never had a problem.
If your not going to run thousands or rounds thru it, swim with it or jump out of Air planes with it. Then I would go with a lesser priced brand, IE BM, STAG, LMT...ETC. Spend your money on good optics, Laru Mounts, Surefire Light and good Ammo.

NoRoadtrippin · 01-10-2010, 20:32

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Originally Posted by rltipton

I will look into Spikes also, thanks.

I saw the kits on DelTon, but I'm not an 18B. I've seen lowers apart, but even though I am mechanically inclined, even if I DID know how to assemble one it is unlikely I could place those little pieces in there with any success. I like the idea of a kit rifle to build myself, but for now I just want one I can purchase, clean, zero, clean, then hang for rainy days.

Hey rltipton,

I've got 4 AR's currently. One complete one from Armalite (16"), a complete from Bushmaster (20"), a DPMS lower and Rock River upper (16"), and a DPMS lower with a Model 1 upper in 9mm (10.5"). I have been happy with all of them. They all fire fine and run for multiple range session without a lot of cleaning. My .02 on a lot of these companies is that they can all be a bit hit or miss. I have gotten good rifles from each.

I quoted your above post, because I would highly recommend building your own kit. I haven't done an upper, but I did do the whole lower end on my 9mm shorty. It took all of 45 minutes or an hour and it was a GREAT learning experience. AR15.com has a thread with large pictures and easy step by step instructions. I saw it as a great chance to know how to take care of my rifles if the SHTF. And since that is what you are potentially buying this rifle for, I would be of the thought that if you are having to put it to use you might also be in a position that makes a repairman hard to find. Just a bit of devil's advocate...

Ultimately for me, it was just a lot of fun to know I put that rifle together myself. And it really was pretty dang easy.

MatthewD44 · 01-10-2010, 21:00

I have a question along this same area...how does this upper receiver kit look as far as company rep and all. I am new to building my own but after looking at prices, I think I should be able to put one together with all of the links that have been posted

here is the link
http://www.del-ton.com/ProductDetail...KT100&CartID=2

Herdbull · 01-11-2010, 10:31

Do any of you have experience with Ruger's version the SR 556? If so what do you think?

Speedgod · 01-11-2010, 11:25

Have you thought of anything aside from a M-4. Maybe check these guys out.http://www.robarm.com/

Did a bunch of research and they are pretty amazing imho.

Some other brands Yankee Hills also has some good AR product. I have a Rock River myself and have been extremely happy with it.

Good luck!

SG

FMF DOC · 01-11-2010, 11:45

As mentioned on another thread, Smith & Wesson will take 40% off their wholesale price if you completed their form and send a copy if your Military I.D. I just purchased the M&P 15X for under $800...

**Peregrino** · 01-11-2010, 19:18

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Originally Posted by Speedgod

Have you thought of anything aside from a M-4. Maybe check these guys out.http://www.robarm.com/

Did a bunch of research and they are pretty amazing imho.
SG

An interesting concept still trying to make it to market six(?) years after it was introduced. I'll stick with proven for a while longer. YMMV

Sabre2G · 01-12-2010, 01:00

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Originally Posted by Peregrino

An interesting concept still trying to make it to market six(?) years after it was introduced. I'll stick with proven for a while longer. YMMV

Interesting rifle I remember seeing that in some magazine a few years back. In my mind if you want proven I'd say either go with an M4 type or with one of the Socom series M1A's from Springfield. I've had my Socom II for just under a year now and while it's a little long and nose heavy taking the lower rail set off makes it a pretty well balanced rifle. The compensator is a thing of beauty making it the softest shooting .308 I've ever fired. Yeah it's a little pricey but, the demand for it if you ever decide to sell it makes it worth while in itself. Just my .02.

AG

Rob_0811 · 01-12-2010, 09:10

+1 for BCM......they make quality stuff.

steelcobra · 01-13-2010, 13:33

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Originally Posted by Peregrino

DO NOT GET A FIXED CARRYING HANDLE UPPER! (Yes, I shouted. Wanted to make sure I had your attention.) It'll restrict your ability to accessorize whenever you finally decide to upgrade (and you will, trust me on this; optics are worth the money, especially as your eyes age). If you feel the need to have a carrying handle, get the removable one. The price difference is a few percentage points of the total cost, not worth worrying about. I'm not a fan of Colt for various reasons mainly attitude. (I've owned three over the years and never thought they were worth the extra money for their name or the PC mods they installed. Still annoyed about their large pin lowers and the reciever block/butchered bolt carrier.) YMMV

THIS. Even if you aren't old, just blind (20/200 uncorrected myopia, here) they help a lot.

I went from barely shooting marksman or sharpshooter with irons to 39s/40s with both the M68 Aimpoint and the TA31 ACOG.

Juliet Delta · 01-14-2010, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Herdbull

Do any of you have experience with Ruger's version the SR 556? If so what do you think?

I would steer clear.

The rail is not free floated, and it suffers from some pretty severe carrier tilt (where the bottom of the carrier chews up your receiver extension or "buffer tube").

Also, stay away from the Bushmaster rifles...their BCG's are seldom staked, castle nuts are almost never staked, barrel twist is always 1:9", the BCG and buffers are too light (ar carrier and carbine buffers rather than M16 carrier and H buffers), and the list goes on. Here is some photographic proof for you:
http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=13532

Some of the best built rifles are coming from BCM, Daniel Defense, Noveske, Colt, and LMT.

Building a carbine isn't all that complicated either, so long as you pay attention to the details. Most of the less expensive companies cut corners; so if you don't cut corners building, you can have a very reliable rifle.

Also, the delton kits tend to ship with .223 chambers, if I recall correctly. If you plan to shoot .mil ammo though it, or Federal XM193 or any other 5.56mm ammo...I would either make sure you had the chamber reamed, or select a different barrel/ kit.

Ryanr · 01-14-2010, 10:45

I hope this is on topic enough -- but do you all think I would be doing myself a disservice in any way by purchasing one of the suggested basic M4 systems prior to my enlistment? My hope is that I would become familiar with shooting and care and such, but I wouldn't want to pick up bad habits that proper Army instructors would have to beat out of me.

01-14-2010, 11:06

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Originally Posted by Ryanr

I hope this is on topic enough -- but do you all think I would be doing myself a disservice in any way by purchasing one of the suggested basic M4 systems prior to my enlistment? My hope is that I would become familiar with shooting and care and such, but I wouldn't want to pick up bad habits that proper Army instructors would have to beat out of me.

Save your money, do not purchase until you have learned that in which you like. Weapons familiarity will come quickly, think about the millions of local tribal villagers that got M16 A1, A2, M4 training.

I think you should forge, file, fit your own .30-06, BAR, with several 20 rd. magazines.