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Old 07-19-2004, 20:19   #16
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I went straight into my SERE training.

It was an agreement reached between the wife and I, prior to me continuing this type/line of work.

I'll really fuck his ass up this week, when I walk in with a suit/tie. I was reading "Hunting the Jackal" when he came to get me.
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Old 07-19-2004, 20:22   #17
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My first trip out of the US as an "adult" was to Tijuana Mexico. Not sure if we gained anything culture wise but I learned to not buy anything from the lady with 60 kids all selling Chicle.

Did my being in the military have any influence? Sure the heck did. The Navy & Marines had a curfew way back then and the Army didn't, we would stay and party till the wee hours at the Bambi club, Tilly's on 5th Ave, and on one occassion the El Zorro club until someone CS'd it after getting ripped off. Many a days down there we came stubling through the turnstyles at 0400. Hell once we even snuck a dog through!

I went back a few years after I got out and it was stil the same. A border town full of drunk sailors and soldiers all trying to pick up the underage college girls from SDSU.

Last summer we hit Nuevo Progresso Mexico. While it is a small border town it is a lot more rundown then TJ. The town on the US side is mostly winter Texans and they all head into Mexico to buy their prescriptions. You could not throw a rock without hitting a damned pharmacy or a dentist office.

Only thing I learned that time was not to eat any unpasteurized cheese. We had breakfast at a restaurant that my father in law liked. I ordered some eggs with queso blanco which I normally love except in the US it is pasteurized and does not run through you like the wind.
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Old 07-20-2004, 09:19   #18
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I went straight into my SERE training.

It was an agreement reached between the wife and I, prior to me continuing this type/line of work.

I'll really fuck his ass up this week, when I walk in with a suit/tie. I was reading "Hunting the Jackal" when he came to get me.
Guy! You must keep us posted on how this goes for the poor guy your meeting with. Good job using SERE training.
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Old 07-20-2004, 11:05   #19
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What did they get for you?

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Probably a cheesy sombrero or something like that. Maybe some maracas?
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Old 07-20-2004, 11:10   #20
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Probably a cheesy sombrero or something like that. Maybe some maracas?
Oh, That's what he meant, I took it that you were brought along as trading Material
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Old 07-20-2004, 13:35   #21
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Oh, That's what he meant, I took it that you were brought along as trading Material
Me too.

Maybe that was what he meant as well.

They swapped him for a cheesy sombrero or some maracas.

Looks like they got him back though.

Hope they got to keep the maracas.

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Old 07-20-2004, 13:54   #22
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My first overseas trip was part of an international exchange program in sports (track and field) and I traveled to Northern Italy and Switzerland.

It definitely changed how I felt about other cultures and I had realized that coming from the South I had been seriously sheltered! Not to mention, I learned quite a bit by watching some of the other participants act like "stupid" Americans. I think sometimes it pays to keep your lips sealed if in doubt!

I was grateful to hae had the experience and don't regret it.
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Old 07-20-2004, 15:32   #23
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I guess the reason I started this thread was to get a feel for how people think about other cultures.

Does anyone here think that the naysayers would have a different opinion if:

A They lost someone in the WTC's on 9/11

B They actually saw what was really going on in Iraq (went there and experienced it in person vice hearing and seeing what the media is feeding them.

C We had continued attacks here on a almost daily basis like they do in Israel

Thanks!!
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Old 07-20-2004, 17:32   #24
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My first trip out of the country was to the Bay of Fundy in Canada when I was a no-necked, snot nosed, tree-hugging, wildlife management student. The area was beautiful and desolate and never saw a Canadian. It was and ecology course field trip with a college professor who looked and acted just like Elmer Fudd. During the trip the professor demonstrated that he was a prime candidate for the Darwin Awards when he managed to get himself stranded on a rock as the tide came roaring in and I came in a close second place when I was stupid enough to get his sorry ass off the rock, much to the chagrin of the other students, and to the shore. After that we developed a long and storied history throughout the remainder of my undergraduate years like the time we were aging deer by tooth wear. This clown was so obnoxious about his heroic adventure in Canada that I asked him to come and verify my work. Now you have to picture this. We were not just working with deer jaw bones but complete severed heads that required you to either crack the jaw bone to open their little lips to see their teeth or pry open and hold the jaws which took some effort because the jaw ligaments where like working against bowflex power rods. When Elmer arrived to verify my aging estimate I let him put his hand in the open jaws and....oooooops they snaped shut. Never saw a grown man hop so high with 20 pounds of deer head attached to his hand. We all felt vindicated for the Bay of Fundy fiasco and Elmer never came to another lab-he sent his assistant for the remainder of the semester

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Old 07-20-2004, 18:04   #25
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Damn that was funny. I love it when people get even with stupid folks, that is the best!!!
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Old 07-23-2004, 05:36   #26
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I guess the reason I started this thread was to get a feel for how people think about other cultures.

Does anyone here think that the naysayers would have a different opinion if:
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I'm not comfortable running my mouth, but here's 0.002 cents worth of reverse situation.

My first trip was at the age of five to the USA. That's where I spoke my first words of english by ordering a coke, and where my dad explained that I was a representative of Sweden and ought to behave as one.

We spent a lot of time in WI and on a roadtrip. Since I was so young at the time, it wasn't much of a foreign culture study. It did however give an orientation of the country, showing how it could be structured differently and hence different appearances of peoples' lives. I think that contributed to my early appreciation that there are many ways to do things, big and small.

My family went again when I was 9, and I crossed the ocean once more when I was 14. Both times were mostly spent in WI, since that is where our relatives live. I stayed very much in the background on the last trip, having it serve as a recovery period after a few troubling years at home and for simple observation and getting a feel of the people.

On 9/11 my sister said there had just been a terrorist attack, and I went to the living room, saw a tower burning and went back to the computer. After a minute I comprehended, crap that is bad, that is big. I could identify with the people there and it made me angry. It would not be long before I felt a frustration between how I knew people over here thought about it, how I imagined, heard, saw and read about your pain, and how I saw, heard and felt the response of the large population of middle easterners at school.

You know about dehumanization? You know how to raise dogs? Fame? Fear? Slogans and protestors' one liners? Leadership and role models? What it all boils down to is association.

Bring together association with ignorance and bad sources, and you have a people in total obediance. Give them intelligence and you'll be greeted with misunderstanding.

Imagine somebody who, when they look at the US, see greater rifts between the rich and poor than in Iran or SA, an oil dependant nation run by a president with a record in the oil industry, believe the guy making praised and seemingly logical flicks about weaponry and deaths (but can't even quote stats correctly) in the USA, who only thinks of Hitler, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and molested children by death squads and bombs when they hear war (which they only hear from the right wing), who think the president "stole" the election and then locks up people without trials for years on end on a desolate island, blah blah blah +ICJ, UN, Israel, whatever.

There is part of the result. Very rudimentary, the problems are the lack of dissemination of good information, and a lack of understanding of evil - how humans work.

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