Bill Allowing Guns in Bars Approved - Page 2

echoes · 07-01-2009, 17:31

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Originally Posted by Sdiver

Holly,

Also look at it this way.....If some dirt bag(s) do happen upon you and your sis in anyway, they're already thinking you're nothing but sheep, so you're an "easy" target.

But low and behold if (when) you pull your piece and happen to drop one of them, or even get off a snap shot, chances are, the others will be running for their lives as fast as they can screaming, "Holy Crap !!!!! That ain't no Sheep....that's a Sheepdog....and SHE'S GOT TEETH !!!!"

Don't be afraid to get your CC.

Sdiver,

I have been thinking a lot lately of familial security, and have been reading some good QP advice. It will definately effect my security plans for my family members in the future.

Oh and...No TEETH...just CLAWS

Holly

Utah Bob · 07-01-2009, 17:59

Ditto. A staunch supporter of the 2A but I still have some misgivings. I wish legal owner of a firearm was responsible and mature. Alas, I know they're not.
When I lived in Florida and they passed the ccw law, the liberals predicted the streets would run with blood. It didn't happen then and I hope the new AZ law won't result in any tragedies. I hope no intoxicated bozo makes us all look like idiots. My fingers are crossed.

**PRB** · 07-01-2009, 21:19

Many States already have this provision...no problems with legal carriers have arrisen.
Same argument initially made when States started alowing CC's....."it'll be a shooting gallery"...BS.
The States with the most restrictive laws have more violent crime, per capita, than those that allow.
I carry everywhere period except when flying and then it goes in my checked bags.

frostfire · 07-02-2009, 00:22

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Originally Posted by Richard

Personally - I have mixed feelings on the issue - we'll just have to see how it plays out on the stage of human farce.

Richard's $.02

Concur.

For example, I am not sure about this guy.
I personally do not believe in "flashing"

http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/g...ent?oid=528311

Gun-toting in Georgia
How I learned to stop worrying and love carrying my gun
Published 07.30.08
By Andisheh Nouraee

Andisheh Nouraee learned to stop worrying and love carrying his gun

If you intend to rob me, stab me or punch me in the neck because you think I looked at you funny, I recommend you glance at my waist before lifting the pull tab on that can of whoop-ass.

I may be carrying a handgun.

Nearly everyone in our state can legally keep guns in their home. I am one of the few, the proud, the Georgia Firearms Licensed – one of a reported 300,000 Georgians permitted to carry a gun in public.

Unlike the 9.2 million-or-so Peach Staters who do not possess firearms licenses, I'm legally permitted to carry a gun pretty much everywhere I go – walking my dogs, sipping a latte at my neighborhood coffee shop, buying deodorant at Target.

Firearms licenses are easy to get in Georgia. All you need is a clean criminal record, about $40 and a couple of hours to spend at your county's probate court.

If you're married, you may already be familiar with probate court. It's also the place that issues marriage licenses. In fact, when you call the Fulton County Probate Court the recorded message actually says "For information about marriage licenses, please press one. For information about firearms licenses, please press two." Romantic, eh?

I got my gun license a year and a half ago after I was relieved of my wallet at gunpoint at my front door by a man who threatened to come back for me if I cancelled my ATM and credit cards.

Since he was clearly comfortable dropping by the house unannounced, police told me to take the threat seriously by carrying a gun myself.

I've had handguns for target shooting since I was a kid, but never carried one for self-defense. After the robbery, I applied for a permit so I could carry a gun without breaking the law. And even before the license arrived, I started to carry my gun from my driveway to my front door, which is legal; I was scared the guy would keep his promise and come back for me.

As it turned out he was arrested a couple of weeks later, pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

When my permit arrived in the mail, I stuck it in my wallet and pretty much forgot about it. I didn't start carrying a weapon. He was in jail and I moved to a less transitional neighborhood. I felt safe again.

Nearly everyone I spend time with regularly has a visceral and fearful reaction to guns. Having so many gun-dreading friends and acquaintances has taught me to keep guns where no one will ever see them. Carrying a gun in public seemed like peeing in the sink of a public restroom. Not illegal, but definitely a first-degree jerk move.

I was also afraid of the reaction of strangers. I would hate to be the subject of this 911 call: "Hello, police, I'm at the Publix on North Decatur Road and there's a swarthy bald man here with a gun. He's headed for the Lean Cuisine."

So, although I had a permit, I was less than thrilled that the General Assembly passed H.B. 89 in April. The new law would give licensed firearms permit holders the right to legally carry guns into places that used to be off-limits: city and state parks, public transportation, and restaurants that serve alcohol.

It seemed to me that the law encouraged colossal dickheadedness by legalizing behavior – carrying guns openly in public – that makes people nervous.

Under the new law, I could now legally take my gun into a restaurant that served alcohol – which includes places many consider bars, such as the Earl or Manuel's Tavern. I could Rollerblade in Piedmont Park while packing heat. I could even take a gun on MARTA.

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**Pete** · 07-02-2009, 05:24

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Originally Posted by frostfire

......For example, I am not sure about this guy.
I personally do not believe in "flashing"......

Read the whole story again - slowly this time.

It is a humorous look at one mans journy from no carry, to concealed carry to open carry.

From the article - "So I just want to be clear," I asked MARTA police Chief Wanda Dunham. "If I had a turkey sandwich in one hand and a gun in the other hand, MARTA police would ticket me for the turkey sandwich?"

"If you're eating it," she replied. "Only if you're eating it."

Richard · 07-02-2009, 05:32

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"So I just want to be clear," I asked MARTA police Chief Wanda Dunham. "If I had a turkey sandwich in one hand and a gun in the other hand, MARTA police would ticket me for the turkey sandwich?"

"Yes - for cannibalism."

Richard's $.02

**The Reaper** · 07-02-2009, 07:59

A permit to carry concealed does not equate to brandishing a firearm in hand without cause in a public place.

Sounds like Wanda might be an affirmative action political appointee.

TR

Utah Bob · 07-02-2009, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Richard

"Yes - for cannibalism."

Richard's $.02

Dammit! Coffee on the keyboard again!

dr. mabuse · 07-02-2009, 13:46

PRB said, "Many States already have this provision...no problems with legal carriers have arrisen. "

Not true. At least in Texas, over half of all CHL revocations involved booze.

In Texas, you can wear your weapon and drink your beer with your meal, but anyone that is "off kilter" and wearing their gun is a no-no.

The few misbehave and make trouble for the rest of us. Old story.

**PRB** · 07-02-2009, 13:54

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Originally Posted by dr. mabuse

PRB said, "Many States already have this provision...no problems with legal carriers have arrisen. "

Not true. At least in Texas, over half of all CHL revocations involved booze.

In Texas, you can wear your weapon and drink your beer with your meal, but anyone that is "off kilter" and wearing their gun is a no-no.

The few misbehave and make trouble for the rest of us. Old story.

I'd be interested in the stats...over 1/2 of what number and what were the circumstance etc...any reference would be appreciated

**The Reaper** · 07-02-2009, 14:42

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Originally Posted by dr. mabuse

PRB said, "Many States already have this provision...no problems with legal carriers have arrisen. "

Not true. At least in Texas, over half of all CHL revocations involved booze.

In Texas, you can wear your weapon and drink your beer with your meal, but anyone that is "off kilter" and wearing their gun is a no-no.

The few misbehave and make trouble for the rest of us. Old story.

I do not believe that you should be consuming alcohol if you are packing.

Any alcohol makes you suspect while driving, and impairment occurs at a fairly low level.

Why not just make yourself the Designated Driver and Designated Packer at the same time?

It only takes one jackass to ruin the program for everyone.

I doubt that very many of the revocations were for people in establishments serving alcohol as well as food and who were not drinking.

TR

sf11b_p · 07-02-2009, 14:51

Two other bills as well...

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The legislature passed two additional important pro-gun bills expanding law-abiding citizens’ self defense rights. Senator Russell Pearce (R-18) was the lead sponsor of these two measures:

SB 1168, which permits law-abiding individuals to store firearms in locked vehicles while parked on publicly accessible parking lots; and SB 1243, which clarifies the statutory definition of defensive display of a firearm.

kachingchingpow · 07-02-2009, 15:53

Yep, definately legal here in GA since about a year ago. I believe I heard of a bill that contains some legislation allowing carry in national parks too, which pretty much takes care of 2/3 of the lakes and streams in the state (formerly illegal to carry on your boat if you're in designated national park property). There *is* some worrisome language on the back of the packing permit here in GA, that restricts carry in public places. Public places are defined as "the following, *but not limited to* government buildings, polling places, sporting events, etc. etc." The "but not limited to" is the catch all that can get you in trouble.

dr. mabuse · 07-02-2009, 18:14

PRB, the stats are at the Texas Dept. of Public Safety webpage(I think).

I usually get my stats for teaching class directly from David Wise, legal counsel of DPS and one of the two attorneys that takes away someone's license if they misbehave. He says booze is a real problem overall. We are taught this at the DPS Academy. I am not aware of publically published suspension or revocation figures.

So, the 2 biggest problems are booze, accounting for a little over half, and almost the remaining half is not paying attention to signs forbidding entering with a CHL.

We're pretty well behaved here overall. TR said it best though. I should get his permission and read verbatim what he said to my classes.

One of the most recent CHL shootings in Texas involved one of our former students. He had been drinking (lightly) but critical judgement was impaired and he popped an unarmed man he got in an argument with. It doesn't happen often, yet it happens too much.

I've also learned that folks out there (comment not aimed at this forum)that tend to blow-off suggestions regarding discretion when drinking (and other things) end-up in troublel sooner or later anyway.

Here's one site http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/adminis.../convrates.htm

Tricky part is, some of these crimes have alcohol "embedded" as a contributing factor.

plato · 07-02-2009, 19:06

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Originally Posted by FMF DOC

Anyone hear anything about other states adopting this?

Michigan has a somewhat similar law. Here, the CPL holder can carry in any place that serves alcohol, as long as its income from alcohol is less than half its total income.

However, our local residents, (and also residents of other states, I suspect), had better not read that as a "stand alone" law.

It is illegal in MI to have *any* alcohol content while carrying a weapon. Penalties for such as a DUI are worse, but your license is gone for a period of 6 months to forever, for having alcohol in your system while carrying.