05-21-2009, 21:50
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WOW. The officers that beat Rodney King think this was excessive.
It's unfortunate they couldn't keep it together.
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05-21-2009, 21:53
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LMMFAO!
Damn LEOs and cameras... 
Stay safe.
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05-22-2009, 05:21
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As much as I would like to administer a tune up to any scumbag that desperately deserves it this one is a no-go. He is prone in a ditch, no movement, and most likely injured from the accident. Threat is still there and treat him as such, but the dogpile was not necessary and unprofessional. Dive in, secure him, get the medics. Multiple head shots, and repeated stick strikes? C'mon guys, use your heads for more than a hat rack.
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05-22-2009, 08:04
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Can't get taped doing this stuff guys...
When dealing with the scum of the earth like this POS is you have to ask yourself....."Is this A-hole worth my job and my families security?" The defendant nearly killed the officer throwing out the spike strips and chances are many officers were aware of this. You have to fight back the adrenaline and do your best to be a professional. Once the "blue octopus" decends someone has to take charge and be able to pull guys off. The defendant was offering ZERO resistence which is what got the officers into trouble. If he even raised an arm while in the initial contact was made they might be able to articulate his resistence and still have their jobs. Plenty of bad guys go to the hospital before they go to prison and officers still have their jobs.
Tape showed lack of SOP's or at the very least lack of adherence to SOP's for felony car stops as well. (Leadership Failure) To those not in the profession...not one officer has ever been trained in the bum rush tactic of arresting suspects.
Sometimes the camera can be your best friend and other times...
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05-22-2009, 09:06
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the thing is...
If that guy had been trapped in the van unconscious, and it burst into flames, those exact same officers would have risked their lives to get him out.
Once he swerved at and hit the spike strip officer, deadly force (in PA anyway) would have been authorized under the use of force laws. Any officer there could have then rammed the van, and killed the driver outright. Totally justified to stop his ability to injure or kill others.
Interesting how things work out sometimes...
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05-22-2009, 09:20
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I have the highest respect for those who risk their lives daily to remove this type of scum from our world.
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I have the highest respect for the legal authority of the organizations who perform this onerous task - based upon my personal experiences, those who wear the badge earn my respect on a performance-based individual basis.
Richard's $.02 
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05-22-2009, 10:27
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It's easy to pass judgement until...
You're in the mix, adrenaline and momentum are driving you forward, one of your guys almost get killed by some scumbag.
All of sudden you're suppose too STOP! Click your heels three times and treat the SOB according to someone who ain't NEVER done jack. 
Do something to one of my guys...I'll be shoveling shit some where making minimum wage and LMAO! 
Stay safe.
BTW...If I have treat one my guys, don't be the SOB that caused it! 
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05-22-2009, 10:39
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This is a prime example on why you need to train the shit out of your people on what to do after the pursuit.
After a pursuit, EVERYONE wants to run up to the car and jerk the bastard out of the pilot window. But more often than not it will only get you into trouble; whether the guy gets ripped out of the car and someone beats the shit out of him on camera or the BG is lying in wait so he can get a contact shot on you with a concealed pistol.
Once the pursuit is over treat the stop as a high risk stop..... because IT IS ONE! Call the dude out, if he doesn't come put treat it as a barricade and go from there. No scum bag is EVER worth your life, your family, your job, nor you pension.
Just my .02 cents
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05-22-2009, 12:29
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Quite simple to me, as I have the highest respect for those who risk their lives daily to remove this type of scum from Our world.
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I respect our LEO's, I simply cannot condone the actions of these men.
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05-22-2009, 16:59
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This is a prime example on why you need to train the shit out of your people on what to do after the pursuit.
After a pursuit, EVERYONE wants to run up to the car and jerk the bastard out of the pilot window. But more often than not it will only get you into trouble; whether the guy gets ripped out of the car and someone beats the shit out of him on camera or the BG is lying in wait so he can get a contact shot on you with a concealed pistol.
Once the pursuit is over treat the stop as a high risk stop..... because IT IS ONE! Call the dude out, if he doesn't come put treat it as a barricade and go from there. No scum bag is EVER worth your life, your family, your job, nor you pension.
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Exactly SJ!!
Controlling your post chase emotions is critical and will save your life and others. Going into a post chase high risk stop gives you an opportunity to slow down, breathe, take in what's going on, process it and get your emotions under control. When I first started in this business over twenty years ago that was the thing to do at the end of a chase, not any more. With the training that our members are receiving today they are better and safer.
I have no problem working under the eye of a camera as I had one for six years when I was assigned to the interdiction team. It saved me ten times more than it hurt me. The key is controlling yourself and your emotions. It's nothing personal, it's just business.
Of course the ejection through the window was nice.
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05-22-2009, 21:30
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There is no honor in beating an unconscious man.
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05-22-2009, 21:57
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There is no honor in beating an unconscious man.
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It all depends on the situation plus, who says he was unconscious? 
Stay safe.
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05-23-2009, 00:46
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My buddy is a police officer. I asked him if he had heard about this; he hadn't. I explained what happened. He said "That's why we don't have cameras in our cars".
In this instance, good idea.
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05-23-2009, 05:21
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It all depends on the situation plus, who says he was unconscious?
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Exactly. Thank you Guy.
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05-23-2009, 08:52
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Forgot to mention
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Originally Posted by Abu-Shakra
My buddy is a police officer. I asked him if he had heard about this; he hadn't. I explained what happened. He said "That's why we don't have cameras in our cars".
In this instance, good idea.
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I forgot to add in my first post that this incident actually took place about a year ago. The video only now surfaced, and apparently the suspect had no idea that he'd been beaten before this. So, what's the big deal?
But rest assured he and his attorneys will milk it for all it's worth.
Jill
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