02-14-2009, 10:45
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The knife must have slipped, no peace loving muslim I know would ever actually chop off his wife's head. It's a good thing this stayed out of the mass media, what would the millions of stupid American people think? Let's show some tolerance people and NOT jump to conclusions! I can think of a thousand different ways some peaceful muslim male might have "accidentally" cut off his wife's head!!!!!!!
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http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/578644.html
Prominent Orchard Park man charged with beheading his wife
By Gene Warner
News Staff Reporter
Orchard Park police are investigating a particularly gruesome killing, the beheading of a woman, after her husband — an influential member of the local Muslim community — reported her death to police Thursday.
Police identified the victim as Aasiya Z. Hassan, 37. Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder.
"He came to the police station at 6:20 p.m. [Thursday] and told us that she was dead," Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said late this morning.
Muzzammil Hassan told police that his wife was at his business, Bridges TV, on Thorn Avenue in the village. Officers went to that location and discovered her body.
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.
The killing apparently occurred some time late Thursday afternoon. Detectives still are looking for the murder weapon.
"Obviously, this is the worst form of domestic violence possible," Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III said today.
Authorities say Aasiya Hassan recently had filed for divorce from her husband.
"She had an order of protection that had him out of the home as of Friday the 6th [of February]," Benz said.
Muzzammil Hassan was arraigned before Village Justice Deborah Chimes and sent to the Erie County Holding Center.
gwarner@buffnews.com
http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/578644.html
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02-14-2009, 10:52
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Muzzammil Hassan is the founder of a Muslim TV channel that he started to combat the negative perceptions of Muslims in the US. He cut his wife's head off yesterday.
Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder
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Is this in deference to his religion or the fact that he's a famous TV personality??
Should be Murder #1
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02-14-2009, 11:10
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I think religion may not have much to do with it...other than this couple just happens to be Muslim. Husbands/wives, boyfriends/girlfriends, parents/children, brothers/sisters, neighbors kill each other all the time for all kinds of reasons...regardless of religious belief or lack of it.
Murder 2 would probably be a slam-dunk; murder 1 may be harder to prove if it turns out to be the result of a spat w/o provable prior intent.
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02-14-2009, 11:17
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Murder 2 would probably be a slam-dunk; murder 1 may be harder to prove if it turns out to be the result of a spat w/o provable prior intent.
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You are spot on.... The DA would rather get this to bed than take a chance and this is normal......
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02-14-2009, 11:28
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Authorities say Aasiya Hassan recently had filed for divorce from her husband.
"She had an order of protection that had him out of the home as of Friday the 6th [of February]," Benz said.
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??? prior violence ???
He does not want me on his jury...   
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02-14-2009, 11:35
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??? prior violence ???
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I didn't say 'violence' -
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...w/o provable prior intent.
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02-14-2009, 11:38
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??? prior violence ???
He does not want me on his jury...   
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JJ,
I Like the way you think.
Having been down this kind of road in the past, am in possession of a zero tolerence policy towards violence against women, peroid.
And again the question resonates, where is the media coverage of this crime?
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02-14-2009, 11:47
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I didn't say 'violence' - Richard's $.02 
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Richard,,
I was pointing out the she had a order on him,, which I think she had to show prior "something"..
I wasn't talking to your prior..
Sorry if it came in side-ways..
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02-14-2009, 12:09
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I was pointing out the she had a order on him,, which I think she had to show prior "something"...
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I saw that, too, but it didn't state why and as it was related to a 'divorce' and all that can go along with such things, I did not assume it meant violence--it could just be to keep him off the property so he couldn't take things of value, keep him away from the kids out of spite...or whatever. Guess I spent too much time as a Board Recorder for Admn Discharge Boards, applying UCMJ as a Company Commander, working International Agreements at the TAACOM...and watching too many episodes of Boston Legal.
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02-14-2009, 12:20
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I saw that, too, but it didn't state why and as it was related to a 'divorce' and all that can go along with such things, I did not assume it meant violence--it could just be to keep him off the property so he couldn't take things of value, keep him away from the kids out of spite...or whatever. Richard's $.02 
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Sir,
Maybe I am way off base here, but an "order" is filed to "protect" an individual that believes another individual will do them harm.
Since in the end, he cut off her head...it leads me to believe that it was an order to protect her from violence.
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02-14-2009, 12:39
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Maybe I am way off base here, but an "order" is filed to "protect" an individual that believes another individual will do them harm.
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People going through separation or divorce say and do all kinds of things to each other and often--with the help of a shyster attorney or 's..t-house lawyer' friend or relative will use the law in all kinds of ways to their advantage...the truth of the matter be danged. JMHO...but an assumption of 'prior violence' may be putting the cart before the proverbial horse with the 'facts' given in the news article. OTOH...the protection order may--in fact--be for previous violence...but a charge of 2nd degree murder makes me wonder.
Just my reasoning, FWIW.
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02-14-2009, 12:50
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??? prior violence ???
He does not want me on his jury... :mad
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Hay he did not steal a horse "Calm Down" he just killed his wife. 
You know how hard it is to get a good horse....
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02-14-2009, 12:54
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People going through separation or divorce say and do all kinds of things to each other and often--with the help of a shyster attorney or 's..t-house lawyer' friend or relative will use the law in all kinds of ways to their advantage...the truth of the matter be danged. JMHO...but an assumption of 'prior violence' may be putting the cart before the proverbial horse with the 'facts' given in the news article. OTOH...the protection order may--in fact--be for previous violence...but a charge of 2nd degree murder makes me wonder.
Just my reasoning, FWIW.
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Correct Sir, they do. For instance a man beats up his fiance, and she makes up her mind to leave him.
After leaving, the man threatens the woman verbally again and again, until she wisely, or not-so-wisely decides to go to the authorities she did not go to after the attack, and seek an order of protection.
(Which is paramount to, "Hey Lady, you shouldn't have been with this maniac to begin with...and you are coming to us now?")
Okay, fine. The Lady makes her own choices and lives with them.
Or in this case, dies by be-heading.
JMHO.
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02-14-2009, 13:35
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Is this in deference to his religion or the fact that he's a famous TV personality??
Should be Murder #1 
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My first instincts was to agree with you so I looked up the NY state statutes for both Murder 1 and Murder 2,
Here is the murder 1 statute;
http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/me...MMONQUERY=LAWS
I'm not going to post the whole statute as it's really long. The crux is to prove murder 1 in NY it would appear you have to kill a LEO or Judge, or kill a person who testified against you in criminal court, or one of said witnesses family, or kill someone while in the commission of another violent crime like burglary, or if one had already been convicted of murder, or killed multiple people in one setting, and it goes on....the only portion of the statute that might apply to this case based on the very limited info that we have thus far is this;
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(x) the defendant acted in an especially cruel and wanton manner
pursuant to a course of conduct intended to inflict and inflicting
torture upon the victim prior to the victim's death. As used in this
subparagraph, "torture" means the intentional and depraved infliction of
extreme physical pain; "depraved" means the defendant relished the
infliction of extreme physical pain upon the victim evidencing
debasement or perversion or that the defendant evidenced a sense of
pleasure in the infliction of extreme physical pain;
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I don't know if the above would fit the crime, it would be highly dependent on the facts, specifically how and when he cut her head off, if she was already dead when he did it etc. The defense could argue that while the defendant’s behavior was gruesome and egregious it doesn't meet the intention of the above statute if the victim was already dead.
In any case it would appear to me that this isn't a case of a prosecuter being PC but rather simply the way the NY statutes are written, of course I'm not a lawyer if any of our resident counsels have a different view I'd like to hear their thoughts on the matter.
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02-14-2009, 13:59
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Is this in deference to his religion or the fact that he's a famous TV personality??
Should be Murder #1 
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Nah.. he is just misunderstood. If we really took the time to get to know him and his peaceful religious practices, we would see that he didn't really mean it.
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