02-02-2009, 09:23
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Originally Posted by Penn
Just spoke with Mr. Fry, very receptive to my email and call enquiring about his service. Class 4-83, Honor Graduate, will be sending his certificate via email tommorrow to me. I will forward to the admins.
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That doesn't match the story very well...... I was in 1-83 and we graduated in May 1983. 4-83 would have probably graduated very late in the year. The article states he served in “Special Ops” from 1980-1984.... at that time there was NO Marine “Special Ops”.
I'll wait for his certificate. We can also do some digging of our own. 
TS
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02-02-2009, 14:37
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Gentlemen this announcement is about me and I hate to disagree but you can in fact earn your Green Beret while serving in the Marines. I was a Sergeant in the Marines serving as Platoon Sergeant in Bravo Company, First Recon when I was selected to attend the Q course. The first Marine Division was allocated 2 billets a year to send someone TAD to the Q course. In fact I was Honor Graduate of class 4-83, Demo Commitee. It was a honor for me and the highlight of my military service and I have been inundated with people challenging this fact. I served with Navy Seals, Rangers, Para Rescue and others during my four years and was meritoriously promoted three times. I was the Honor Graduate in infantry school. I was NCO of the quarter for my battalion and served with distinction.
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I guess it is a matter of semantics and form as to whether attending the Q course makes you a "Green Beret," since a Marine would never wear the head gear. Probably would have been better to say in a bio:
"Attended U.S. Army Special Forces (Green Beret) training while in the United States Marines."
I assume someone at the school house can validate his attendance. I know we had sister services and allied students at Ranger School, and my SF Officer's Course had allies (but no Marines), but that was in the mid 1970's.
* TAD = Marine speak for Temporary Additional Duty, their term for what we call TDY and return.
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02-02-2009, 20:47
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I guess it is a matter of semantics and form as to whether attending the Q course makes you a "Green Beret," since a Marine would never wear the head gear. Probably would have been better to say in a bio:
"Attended U.S. Army Special Forces (Green Beret) training while in the United States Marines."
I assume someone at the school house can validate his attendance. I know we had sister services and allied students at Ranger School, and my SF Officer's Course had allies (but no Marines), but that was in the mid 1970's.
* TAD = Marine speak for Temporary Additional Duty, their term for what we call TDY and return.
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We're working on that right now......
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02-03-2009, 12:30
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Unbelievable!
We are in possession of Mr. Fry's documents and at first glance it would appear he telling the absolute truth!
I am 99.999% sure he graduated from the Special Forces Qualification Course and Graduated SF Demo course as the Honor Grad!
Congrats Mr Fry. We are writing Special Forces history with your story, as most of us had no idea Marines were allowed to attend the Q-Course and "return" to the Marines!
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(I would have taken the bet that you were a fake and lost.)
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02-03-2009, 14:00
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Sir,
I would have to agree with you on this. Bn Recon isn't out of the realm of possibility for a 'first termer' with Force Recon being remotely possible but highly unlikely during an initial single enlistment since they prefer a little experience with a line company at least or preferably select from Bn Recon since they have attended Amphib Recon School and are usually already jump and dive qualified. But, as with anything, it's the need of the Corps at the time. My guesstimation is the reporter quoted him out of context or he is FOS and probably never served at all.
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I stand corrected and eat my words. My cover is off to you Mr. Frye.
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02-03-2009, 15:31
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02-03-2009, 16:00
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Pass the ketch-up for this crow.
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02-03-2009, 21:02
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TS, all...been busy, haven't followed the thread, but Class 6-76 had three jarheads in it...two attended the weapons course and one attended commo...all three graduated...out of a graduating class of 26+1...
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02-04-2009, 07:24
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TS, all...been busy, haven't followed the thread, but Class 6-76 had three jarheads in it...two attended the weapons course and one attended commo...all three graduated...out of a graduating class of 26+1...
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"26+1" = Katie Wilder?
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02-04-2009, 07:47
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"26+1" = Katie Wilder?
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You just had to bring up that name...... 
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02-04-2009, 08:15
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Oh, here we go again. The Wilder fiasco was after '76.
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02-04-2009, 08:29
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I'll withdraw back to my corner for the next mission..
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02-11-2009, 14:17
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This story is now a FACT. We have rock solid confirmation.
Mr. Ken Fry did in fact graduate from the Special Forces Qualification Course and not just the demo portion.
Mr. Fry in a world of fakes and frauds its a pleasure to find someone with a seemingly impossible story that is actually "TRUE".
This is one for the SF history books.
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02-11-2009, 14:36
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Does this give Mr. Fry the right to wear a Green Beret if he elects to ? 
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02-11-2009, 16:26
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We are writing Special Forces history with your story, as most of us had no idea Marines were allowed to attend the Q-Course and "return" to the Marines!
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Sorry for coming to this late, but my class had three Marines.
One of them crossed the street to SF after completing his enlistment with the USMC.
He works with Longrange1947 at this very moment.
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