10-25-2008, 23:18
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Gentlemen let me help you. This MAN belongs to the most EXCLUSIVE club on the Planet. THE United States, (of America), SENATE.
Do you really think he would have gotten this far on a legitimate course for POTUS if his "pedigree" and "birth right" were not ALREADY thoroughly, VETTED. The man is a UNITED STATES CITIZEN by BIRTH and United States Senator. Check the motivation; motivating this pointless line of inquiry and find smoething else to spend time Pondering.
This one is beyond your capacity to seriously, question. PERIOD.
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10-25-2008, 23:45
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troubleshter77,
Last time I checked the US Constitution is hardly a superficial matter. You do not need to be a Natural Born citizen to be a Senator, you do however, have to meet this requirement for POTUS. All BHO would have to do is the exact SAME thing McCain did when this SAME question was asked of him. Funny how the media wasn't downplaying this matter when McCain was the one in question 
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10-26-2008, 00:16
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Gentlemen let me help you. This MAN belongs to the most EXCLUSIVE club on the Planet. THE United States, (of America), SENATE.
Do you really think he would have gotten this far on a legitimate course for POTUS if his "pedigree" and "birth right" were not ALREADY thoroughly, VETTED. The man is a UNITED STATES CITIZEN by BIRTH and United States Senator. Check the motivation; motivating this pointless line of inquiry and find smoething else to spend time Pondering.
This one is beyond your capacity to seriously, question. PERIOD.
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OK, fine! What agency is tasked with vetting candidates running for the House, Senate or POTUS? Which candidate has been deemed unfit by that agency? I'm just curious.
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10-26-2008, 05:44
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The only reason why this rumor/allegation/serious question has festered so long is that the BHO Campaign refuses to actually produce the document.
Methinks they protest too much.
One would think that this sort of thing is vetted on hour one/day one of filing your "intent to seek election" application process. And yet, the question remains...
The lack of media curiosity about this, coupled with the fact that Mr. McCain actually had to get a court ruling to verify his eligibility cause me to at least wonder about the validity of BHO's quals.
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10-26-2008, 09:13
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Gentlemen let me help you. This MAN belongs to the most EXCLUSIVE club on the Planet. THE United States, (of America), SENATE.
Do you really think he would have gotten this far on a legitimate course for POTUS if his "pedigree" and "birth right" were not ALREADY thoroughly, VETTED. The man is a UNITED STATES CITIZEN by BIRTH and United States Senator. Check the motivation; motivating this pointless line of inquiry and find smoething else to spend time Pondering.
This one is beyond your capacity to seriously, question. PERIOD.
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Do you presume to lecture us on politics, and what to believe or not believe?
How long was it before Hillary released her financial records?
If this was as plain as you seem to think, then he would have already delivered the documentation. Not a conspiracy theorist, but there are a lot of unanswered questions here that Obama seems to be ducking, and I would like to see them answered before the election. I do not want to make someone the leader of the free world only to find that he is unqualified. Frankly, I do not want to see President Joe Biden either.
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10-26-2008, 09:22
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Do you presume to lecture us on politics, and what to believe or not believe?
How long was it before Hillary released her financial records?
If this was as plain as you seem to think, then he would have already delivered the documentation. Not a conspiracy theorist, but there are a lot of unanswered questions here that Obama seems to be ducking, and I would like to see them answered before the election. I do not want to make someone the leader of the free world only to find that he is unqualified. Frankly, I do not want to see President Joe Biden either.
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T'is the Rub, who is this man, Barak Obama?
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10-26-2008, 12:12
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Do you presume to lecture us on politics, and what to believe or not believe?
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Rather, it seems more expedient at this point in the discussion as to who will be the next POTUS, to focus on HOW the policies of BO or JM which if we are fortunate, (as a nation), will serve to extricate us from this quagmire that we presently find ourselves as a nation.
The realities of our collective existence have LITTLE to do with what "we" as soldiers and men believe. Fore, at the level at which we “operate” policy decisions have already been established, rationalized, and justified and made. “We” are those that “actualize” and manifest the dogma associated with those “political decisions”. I would not presume to attempt the fruitless.
The next POTUS MUST, be a man of keen Intellect, balanced passion, developed common sense, and determination enough to rise above the partisan nonsense that has kept this nation deadlocked in policies that have stunted our growth on several levels. I leave it to the voters to decide which one of the two candidates is better prepared to move this great nation truly forward.
IMHO debating the “validity” BO’s birth certificate seems a little futile at this point in the process.
I think Ralph Waldo Emerson says it better than I could ever so I leave you with this...
"Truth is the property of no individual but is the treasure of all men." 
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10-26-2008, 12:56
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quagmire?
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...will serve to extricate us from this quagmire that we presently find ourselves as a nation......
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Which "quagmire" are you talking about?
Just want to make sure we're all on the same page.
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10-26-2008, 12:56
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IMHO debating the “validity” BO’s birth certificate seems a little futile at this point in the process.
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Might be futile, but if true it would be an outright assault on the US Constitution and US Law, which shows less than honrable intentions on his part and a flaw in character IMHO.
Subversion of that type if allowed would make the US Constitution and The Bill of Rights meaningless paper and ink.
As many have stated, He could have put this to rest in short order and he has not.
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10-26-2008, 13:19
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Gentlemen let me help you. This MAN belongs to the most EXCLUSIVE club on the Planet. THE United States, (of America), SENATE.
Do you really think he would have gotten this far on a legitimate course for POTUS if his "pedigree" and "birth right" were not ALREADY thoroughly, VETTED. The man is a UNITED STATES CITIZEN by BIRTH and United States Senator. Check the motivation; motivating this pointless line of inquiry and find smoething else to spend time Pondering.
This one is beyond your capacity to seriously, question. PERIOD.
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Troubleshter77, now let me help YOU. This thread, if read from start to finish is more about the lack of a straight answer to a simple question. Now, I know you are experienced enough to understand that people will disagree from time to time and that disagreement is a good thing, but lets not take an authoritive tone with friends in here. I am quite certain the gentlemen in here have an excellent grasp of their capacity, and that is just plain rude to suggest otherwise. PERIOD. Considering the audience that you have here, it might not be received well if you are to inform us as to what is worth pondering and what is not. Respect is a funny thing in here, it is freely given, but once lost, almost impossible to get back.
That being said, you can quote Emerson, Thoreau, and Charlie Brown for all the good it will do, the primary question this thread has produced remains: Why fight this in Court?
As for your reverence of the Senate, does the bridge at Chappaquiddick ring any bells? It seems if you look, the Senate has a track record of overlooking some pretty signifcant details.
Just my 02. Period.
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10-26-2008, 14:12
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Don't get me wrong. Heated discussion sometimes serves to clear the cobwebs.
And the last time I checked we are in various "quagmires" both at home and abroad because of the "cobwebs" clogging up the "cerebral functioning of some of our most powerful "elected" leaders. My intention is not to offend or sound condescending; however if my comments offend or are interpreted as such I offer this; perception is a wonderful thing when balanced with reason and intellect.
Quite frankly I agree with most if not all of the points made regarding "verification". It seems however that this particular discussion will not have an effect on or changethe results of the election. As for issue of the character BHO I still contend that his place of birth has been resolved long before his candidacy got to this point.
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10-26-2008, 14:38
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Well said, Paslode.
The questions raised on this thread and elsewhere on this forum are especially relevant since the Democrats have hammered at the Bush administration for the alleged overuse of 'executive privilege'. If the Democrats can argue that an administration should turn over documents when asked, what does it say of a candidate who has made a habit of secrecy and obstructionism before he's even taken the oath of office?
One can contrast Senator Obama's stance with that of President Reagan who, upon leaving office, wanted every piece of paper in the White House declassified and immediately available for public inquiry.
And as Hollis points out, the central question remains: who is Senator Obama?
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Might be futile, but if true it would be an outright assault on the US Constitution and US Law, which shows less than honrable intentions on his part and a flaw in character IMHO.
Subversion of that type if allowed would make the US Constitution and The Bill of Rights meaningless paper and ink.
As many have stated, He could have put this to rest in short order and he has not.
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10-26-2008, 16:11
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Rather, it seems more expedient at this point in the discussion as to who will be the next POTUS, to focus on HOW the policies of BO or JM which if we are fortunate, (as a nation), will serve to extricate us from this quagmire that we presently find ourselves as a nation.
The realities of our collective existence have LITTLE to do with what "we" as soldiers and men believe. Fore, at the level at which we “operate” policy decisions have already been established, rationalized, and justified and made. “We” are those that “actualize” and manifest the dogma associated with those “political decisions”. I would not presume to attempt the fruitless.
The next POTUS MUST, be a man of keen Intellect, balanced passion, developed common sense, and determination enough to rise above the partisan nonsense that has kept this nation deadlocked in policies that have stunted our growth on several levels. I leave it to the voters to decide which one of the two candidates is better prepared to move this great nation truly forward.
IMHO debating the “validity” BO’s birth certificate seems a little futile at this point in the process.
I think Ralph Waldo Emerson says it better than I could ever so I leave you with this...
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" we as soldiers and men"?
"The next POTUS must be a man"?
You seem to be removing women for some reason. I did not see any military service mentioned in your bio.
Your claim to be convinced BHO was born a US citizen is based on what solid evidence that you have seen, and can reproduce.?
Nice Emerson quote; just how does it fit here? The truth is what the truth is, no doubt. So what is the truth here?
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10-26-2008, 16:23
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"quagmires"?
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..And the last time I checked we are in various "quagmires" both at home and abroad because of the "cobwebs" clogging up the "cerebral functioning of some of our most powerful "elected" leaders....
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This is getting old. I asked you what "quagmire" you were talking about. Now you say we are in various "quagmires".
Now once again, what are you calling a "quagmire"? And since you brought it up - who do you think put us in the "quagmires"?
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10-26-2008, 17:07
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Not a U.S. citizen, but to me it's plain and simple - being born outside the U.S. would immediately disqualify a presidential candidate from the race. What really throws me off is that Obama hasn't been FORCED to provide this info to both the gov. and the public by now.
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