07-11-2004, 09:30
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Kia ora, bro
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Good luck finding Dare To Win.
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07-25-2004, 10:31
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Another list
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07-25-2004, 11:06
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Good luck finding Dare To Win.
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Found.
6 seconds... 
http://www.kowhaigold.co.nz/military1.html
'Dare To Win' by W.D. Baker
Story of New Zealand SAS
Bk No. 008331
$65.00
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07-25-2004, 18:27
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Kia ora, bro
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Holy shit! I near fell out of my chair when I saw that.
Last time I searched for it, I got the "You'll burn in hell before you find this book, punk!" type message.
Thanks TS! 
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07-25-2004, 19:49
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Holy shit! I near fell out of my chair when I saw that.
Last time I searched for it, I got the "You'll burn in hell before you find this book, punk!" type message.
Thanks TS!
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I get that message everytime I'm looking for Jimmy Hoffa.....
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07-25-2004, 20:42
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I'm finding The Interrogators to be an interesting read with valuable bits of info.
Edited: Learning disturbing things about the author which may cast the book in a different light, we'll see....
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07-26-2004, 03:02
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Thanks, TR. I will have to read some of these.
I find it interesting that Bravo Two Zero is on the list, given some of the comments made here about it by qualified personnel.
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Brave Two Zero is a very useful book to read. Once you've been trained (or as you are training), you realize how many mistakes were made by that team and why you learned/are learning to do things in a certain way.
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07-26-2004, 05:45
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Brave Two Zero is a very useful book to read. Once you've been trained (or as you are training), you realize how many mistakes were made by that team and why you learned/are learning to do things in a certain way.
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Exactly.
Within 10 pages of starting it, I began thinking, 'man, these guys are really messed up.'
Just one of the three stories of the mission, regardless.
TR
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07-26-2004, 06:51
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I've read both B-20 and The One That Got Away, but not 'the third story'. I was wondering what the third was, and also if the stories each paint a picture of poor planning and inefficiency?
I find it interesting that to the nonmilitary public (read- me at age 12) B-20 read as a story of proper planning that had gone awry.
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07-26-2004, 07:54
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Soldier Five, by Mike Coburn is the third book. Theres also opinions on it in most of the other books, too.
He paints it more as bad on HQs part: Not keeping the units in isolation, crap maps, etc. Though he does say they fucked up in it, too.
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07-26-2004, 07:55
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I've read both B-20 and The One That Got Away, but not 'the third story'. I was wondering what the third was, and also if the stories each paint a picture of poor planning and inefficiency?
I find it interesting that to the nonmilitary public (read- me at age 12) B-20 read as a story of proper planning that had gone awry.
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Solid:
You got a search button there?
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...Bravo+Two+Zero
It would be the book by the Kiwi. I believe there is even a source cited.
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07-26-2004, 08:52
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My apologies, that won't happen again. I figured that I wouldn't need the search button because I had literally read every single post on the site... I didn't count on my memory failing me, which was stupid.
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08-05-2004, 21:36
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FWIW, I have had very good results in the past by going here to find "out-of-print-books":
www.bookfinder.com
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10-05-2009, 21:45
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Quote:
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Soldier Five, by Mike Coburn is the third book. Theres also opinions on it in most of the other books, too.
He paints it more as bad on HQs part: Not keeping the units in isolation, crap maps, etc. Though he does say they fucked up in it, too.
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Eye of The Storm by P. Radcliff
( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/193..._ya_oh_product)
He was the SGM of that Squadron during the Gulf War, he states that the team ultimately had final say in execution, but was strongly advised to take vehicles. He acknowledges the lack of mission support and supply issues in the book.
There is a lot of bad blood over this issue and a few others. I read another book to cover down and found it better and with some historical insights going back to the 50's;
Ghost Force by K. Conner
( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/030..._ya_oh_product)
Just read With The Old Breed by EB Sledge, just another book that puts things in perspective when things start to suck.
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