Obama/Biden

[rubberneck]

Originally Posted by afchic

The Third is that McCain will pick Lieberman. The husband is starting to see my line of thinking on this one and is slowly trying to get out of this bet.

That would be political suicide. There is no upside to picking Lieberman. Those who have supported Lieberman for years won't suddenly turn their backs on the DNC. It will however cost McCain dearly with conservatives.

[GratefulCitizen]

From a Drudge link: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...joe_biden.html

Joe Loves Joe

One of the most overlooked episodes during the 1987 collapse of Biden's campaign was a snippet of footage captured by C-Span in which the Delaware senator, in response to a question about where he went to law school and what sort of grades he received, delivered this classic line: "I think I have a much higher IQ than you do."

While any human being -- especially a candidate for president who is constantly being poked and prodded -- can be forgiven a momentary flash of temper, Biden's detractors point to that incident as evidence that the senator thinks he is the bee's knees and doesn't care who knows it.

...and to think that they passed on John Edwards...
...too much of a narcissist...

[Jack Moroney (RIP)]

Originally Posted by rubberneck

Joe Biden will step on his crank big time at some point over the next 3 months. .

Well when he does, and he will, let's hope he is wearing golf shoes so everyone gets caught in the spray-including Barry O who will not look so "neat and clean" and will have a major problem being "articulate" when he comes to Biden's rescue. Does anyone else sense a "gunfight" in Denver

[Guy]

Originally Posted by afchic

Obama just showed how truly inexperienced he is, and needs to get a few more years under his belt.

Hillary's supporters can now ensure a McCain win, justifying their vote saying they weren't voting for McCain they were voting for Lieberman. A McCain victory will ensure Hillary can run again in 2012. Waiting for 2016 is too much of a long shot.

I've said this before....Obama should've let Hillary have the nomination and ran in 2012. Now he's screwed!

Stay safe.

[echoes]

Originally Posted by afchic

I have three bets going with my husband. The first I won when Obama picked Biden, he thought he would pick Hillary.

The second is Hillary will walk out of the DNC as the Democratic Nominee for POTUS. My husband thinks I am nuts on this one

The Third is that McCain will pick Lieberman. The husband is starting to see my line of thinking on this one and is slowly trying to get out of this bet.

afchic,

Some similar thoughts have been rolling around in my head on this as well.

Here is to hoping...

Holly

(btw...glad you got the avatar workin'! I like it!)

[LongTabSigO]

Originally Posted by afchic

I have three bets going with my husband. The first I won when Obama picked Biden, he thought he would pick Hillary.

The second is Hillary will walk out of the DNC as the Democratic Nominee for POTUS. My husband thinks I am nuts on this one

The Third is that McCain will pick Lieberman. The husband is starting to see my line of thinking on this one and is slowly trying to get out of this bet.

We agreed on the first.

I'm of the same mind as you vis a vis Hillary. And, to up the ante, the impetus behind this will center around the "missing" Obama birth certificate.

Third, nah...i don't think McCain will make that move. Leaving aside the whole "He's a Dem" thing, it's not like Lieberman did much for Kerry's bid last time.

[afchic]

Originally Posted by LongTabSigO

We agreed on the first.

I'm of the same mind as you vis a vis Hillary. And, to up the ante, the impetus behind this will center around the "missing" Obama birth certificate.

Third, nah...i don't think McCain will make that move. Leaving aside the whole "He's a Dem" thing, it's not like Lieberman did much for Kerry's bid last time.

As for the birth certificate thing, all I hear people saying in the media is that the one on his website is a valid birth certificate that proves he was born here in the states. When my husband adopted my daughter, she was issued a new birth certificate with his name on it. Just as valid as the one she had without her biological father's name on it. My point is that if he has nothing to hide, release the original birth certificate. To me this amounts to Kerry refusing to release his original DD 214 during the 2004 election. If you have nothing to hide, provide the proof.

Another interesting thing about Obama came to light yesterday that no one is talking about. I saw an article from a little paper in Chicago about it and they were the only ones addressing the issue. The University where Obama and Ayers worked together on some kind of research has finally agreed to release all the research materials that have been in storage. It took someone filing a FOIA lawsuit I believe, to get it released. It will be released tomorrow. Let's see if that gets any coverage. It should be interesting to see what is in it, since Obama has been working so hard to ensure it never saw the light of day.

As for Lieberman, he didn't do a lot of John Kerry because they were both dems. Reaching across the aisle for his VP would certainly cement McCain's maverick status. I personally don't think it is political suicide. I know a lot of conservatives that really like him. JMO

[LongTabSigO]

Originally Posted by afchic

As for the birth certificate thing, all I hear people saying in the media is that the one on his website is a valid birth certificate that proves he was born here in the states. When my husband adopted my daughter, she was issued a new birth certificate with his name on it. Just as valid as the one she had without her biological father's name on it. My point is that if he has nothing to hide, release the original birth certificate. To me this amounts to Kerry refusing to release his original DD 214 during the 2004 election. If you have nothing to hide, provide the proof.

I think we agree here. The issue isn't "Is Obama a Citizen". The question is "Is Obama a NATURAL BORN citizen?"

It's a mess.

[glebo]

I thought BHO was about "change", how long has Biden been around washington?? Not to much "change" there. and they're bashing McCain for being around awhile, I guess it suites their agenda.

[greenberetTFS]

Joe Bidens on record stating McCain would be an excellent pick as VP for Kerry last election... Biden is on record saying he would be honored if asked by McCain to be his running mate, and would do it.....How will he respond to the media regarding these statements ?

GB TFS

[Richard]

Now that the Senator with the furthest left voting record in the Senate and the Senator with the third furthest left voting are the Democrats' nominees for President and Vice President, there will be great expressions of indignation over being "negative" if anyone dares call them "liberals." Actually, leftists would be more accurate.

The reason so many people misunderstand so many issues is not that these issues are so complex, but that people do not want a factual or analytical explanation that leaves them emotionally unsatisfied. They want villains to hate and heroes to cheer-- and they don't want explanations that do not give them that.

At one time, it was said "The truth will make you free." Today, there seem to be those who think that rhetoric and hype will make you free. It might even be called the audacity of hype.

Richard's $.02

[dennisw]

It’s been reported that Senator Biden’s net worth is approximately $100,000-$150,000. It’s a little difficult to comprehend that someone who has been a senator since 1972, 36 years, and who has received an annual salary ranging from $42,000(1972) to $169,300 in 2008 hasn’t obtain more wealth. In addition to his salary, he receives perquisites which are listed below. Lastly, he is married to Dr. Jill Biden, the former Jill Jacobs, an educator in Delaware's schools for over twenty years. She currently is a professor teaching at Delaware Technical Community College.


Expense Allowances for members, kept separate from personal staff allowances, cover domestic travel, stationery, newsletters, overseas postage, telephone and telegraph service, and other expenses in Washington and in the members' state or congressional districts.

Foreign Travel by members for the conduct of government business is financed through special allowances. These funds can come from various sources.

Outside Employment Income is generally limited to 15% of member pay. There are, however, certain prohibited categories: Members may not receive compensation for employment in real estate, insurance sales, the practice of law, the practice of medicine, or service as an officer or board member.

Domestic Travel (to and from District/State) House: Included in office expenses is a minimum amount of $9,700 (2003), with additional funding based on a formula that uses the distance from Washington, DC to the farthest point in the Congressional district from Washington
http://www.thecapitol.net/FAQ/payandperqs.htm

[PSM]

Originally Posted by dennisw

It’s been reported that Senator Biden’s net worth is approximately $100,000-$150,000.

In 2006, OpenSecrets.org, rated his net worth as 108th in the Senate. I guess 8 Senate Pages earned more than he did.

Pat

[ZonieDiver]

Originally Posted by dennisw

It’s been reported that Senator Biden’s net worth is approximately $100,000-$150,000. It’s a little difficult to comprehend that someone who has been a senator since 1972, 38 years, and who has received an annual salary ranging from $42,000(1972) to $169,300 in 2008 hasn’t obtain more wealth. In addition to his salary, he receives perquisites which are listed below. Lastly, he is married to Dr. Jill Biden, the former Jill Jacobs, an educator in Delaware's schools for over twenty years. She currently is a professor teaching at Delaware Technical Community College.


Expense Allowances for members, kept separate from personal staff allowances, cover domestic travel, stationery, newsletters, overseas postage, telephone and telegraph service, and other expenses in Washington and in the members' state or congressional districts.

Foreign Travel by members for the conduct of government business is financed through special allowances. These funds can come from various sources.

Outside Employment Income is generally limited to 15% of member pay. There are, however, certain prohibited categories: Members may not receive compensation for employment in real estate, insurance sales, the practice of law, the practice of medicine, or service as an officer or board member.

Domestic Travel (to and from District/State) House: Included in office expenses is a minimum amount of $9,700 (2003), with additional funding based on a formula that uses the distance from Washington, DC to the farthest point in the Congressional district from Washington
http://www.thecapitol.net/FAQ/payandperqs.htm

Those hair transplants must be more expensive than I thought!

[Defender968]

Originally Posted by rubberneck

Joe Biden will step on his crank big time at some point over the next 3 months. He can't avoid it. His mouth has always been five steps ahead of his brain. All we need now is for McCain to not screw up his pick.

You called that one!

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09...ow-patriotism/

Biden: Wealthy Americans Must Pay More Taxes to Show Patriotism

WASHINGTON — Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said Thursday that paying more in taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans. In a new TV ad that repeats widely debunked claims about the Democratic tax plan, the Republican campaign calls Obama’s tax increases “painful.”

Under the economic plan proposed by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut.

Although Republican John McCain claims that Obama would raise taxes, the independent Tax Policy Center and other groups conclude that four out of five U.S. households would receive tax cuts under Obama’s proposals.

“We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people,” Biden said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”

Noting that wealthier Americans would indeed pay more, Biden said: “It’s time to be patriotic … time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut.”

McCain released a television ad Thursday charging that Obama would increase the size of the federal government amid an economic crisis. Contending that “a big government casts a big shadow on us all,” the ad features the image of a shadow slowly covering a sleeping baby as a narrator misstates the reach of the Obama tax proposal.

“Obama and his liberal congressional allies want a massive government, billions in spending increases, wasteful pork,” the ad says. “And we would pay — painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil. Can your family afford that?”

Here's a good example of good ole Joe stepping on his crank again... hey Joe that's not patriotism, that's called socialism and it doesn't work no matter what you and BHO call it..... economic justice or whatever!