Russia invades Georgia

[Dozer523]

Damn Man! I saw that and thought, "Again?"
necropostography!

[incarcerated]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Damn Man! I saw that and thought, "Again?"
necropostography!

Gulity!

[incarcerated]

http://www.rferl.org/content/Russian...a/2124908.html

Russian General Says Kremlin Deploys Air Defense Missiles in Abkhazia

August 11, 2010
The commander in chief of Russia's air force has said that Russia has deployed sophisticated S-300 air-defense missiles in the pro-Moscow rebel region of Abkhazia.

General Aleksandr Zelin said the troops operating the missile system would work together with the air-defense systems of the army to provide antiaircraft defense for the Georgian separatist territories of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

He also said air defenses of other types had been deployed in the Russian-backed region of South Ossetia.

Georgia, which insists that Abkhazia and South Ossetia are an integral part of its territory, said the deployments are "a concern" for Tbilisi.

The Kremlin in 2008 recognized the two regions as independent states after Russia's brief war with Georgia.

[CSB]

It's a fait accompli. Georgia stepped on their dick when they started shooting instead of negotiating. Russia handed Georgia their ass, now Georgia is a little smaller that it was a few years ago.

Georgia needs to get over it and realize that Russia has -- in the famous words of the Israeli's -- "created a new reality."

Maybe China could see a message in that about Tiawan. Give it up, it's over.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by CSB

It's a fait accompli.

Maybe China could see a message in that about Tiawan. Give it up, it's over.

Or maybe Taiwan could see a message in that about China. Give it up, it's over.

Or maybe S-Korea could see a message in that about N-Korea. Give it up, it's over.

Or maybe Canada & Mexico could see a message in that about THE USA. Give it up, it's over... oops to far..

[lindy]

Originally Posted by CSB

It's a fait accompli. Georgia stepped on their dick when they started shooting instead of negotiating.

Partly because they thought we would come to their rescue.

How does one go about negotiating with a Russian anyway? I'm confident the peace talks would go something like this especially over some homemade Georgian wine. Ahhhh...

[CSB]

OK, here’s how I explained it to my teenage sons when they saw the headlines.
Suppose over the years United States established a special relationship with Roosevelt Roads and the area of Puerto Rico around the base. By special relationship, I mean:

Everybody in the area spoke English instead of Spanish. High School and College credits freely tansferred. A driver’s license from any state in the US was just fine in “Ameri-Rico.” People flew freely back and forth to the US from the “Ameri-Rico” airport as if they were in the United States (no visa, no customs, no passports). In fact, the area had its own (English speaking) police force, National Guard (who spoke English but reported to San Jaun, instead of the United States in the event of a hurricane or a flood). Over 20, 30, 40 years the eastern tip of the island became a “little bit of the U.S.” while still in the commonwealth of Puerto Rico. The U.S. dollar was still legal tender, and so on. Anyone born in “Ameri-Rico” is consided a U.S. citizen, and given U.S. passports.

Fast forward 50 years. Puerto Rico declare its independence from the United States. The U.S. grants P.R. independant status as a nation. But then, Puerto Rico begins to clamp down on “Ameri-Rico.” Flyers into the airport must have P.R. visas, and P.R. passports. Schools must be conducted in Spanish, P.R. courts are given exclusive jurisdiction, and “Ameri-Ricans” must trade their dollars for P.R. Pesos. A U.S. driver’s license isn’t good any more. And so on.

The residents of “Ameri-Rico” begin to complain back to the U.S. government. They expect to have trials by a jury, free travel, the right to conduct school and business in English if they want. They want to keep 1st , 2nd, 3rd etc. amendment rights, in fact, keep all of those rights. They especially want U.S. citizenship, the right to vote in U.S. elections, in other words, they still want to be “Americans, who happen to now be living in an independent nation of Puerto Rico.”

But what does the P.R. government do? They seal off the airport with P.R. tanks and troops. They issue orders requiring all schools and businesses to be conducted solely in Spanish. They refuse to recognize the “Ameri-Ricans” as U.S. citizens, or honor their passports; requiring them to get P.R. passports and obtain a visa to travel “home” to the United States. And they issue orders to the “Ameri-Rican” National Guard and police force to walk out of their barracks, turn over all their weapons, and shed their uniforms, to be replaced with Spanish speaking troops and police from San Jaun.

The “Ameri-Ricans” refuse, and stay in their barracks/police stations.

And what does the P.R. government do? Give them an ultimatum, then open fire with artillery, killing both the “Ameri-Ricans” and 100% American citizens who are members of the force or in the area. What would the U.S. Government do?

Exactly what the Russians did. Substitute “Georgia” for “Puerto Rico” and “Russia” for the “United States” and what would we do? The 82nd Airborne Division, the Rangers, and the Marines would be in “Ameri-Rico” overnight, kicking out the Puerto Ricans, destroying their air force, armor, and artillery all the way back to San Jaun, and granting some kind of political automomy to “Ameri-Rico.”

What should have been done? Negotiate a “special status” (not unlike what Hong Kong has with China) to find a middle road where rights and obligations built up over decades can be respected. But when the artillery projectiles begin to detonate, the mother eagle (or mother bear) will always rush to the aid of her offspring.