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Old 06-05-2004, 23:49   #16
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If you are having these types of problems have you considered seeing a sports physiologist? Not an orthopedist but someone who specializes in lower extremety performance especialy running.

You probably wont find one in a small town if thats where you live, but its well worth trying to find a good one somewhere. He or she can look at your stride, symmetry, feet etc and give you recommendations. Considering it will only cost about $100.00 and that there is so much to loose from being injured...

Its sounds like you might have already tried this so pardon me if you have.

Possibly you are over training (for your body) and or consistantly running on too hard of surfaces. I believe sprint training should be done in intervals to regualr distance running and on sufaces such as grass if possible. Sprinting after a bus is simply asking for it IMO.

Aside from using the proper shoes for the type of feet you have, remember to purchase high quality running socks ie Thorlo.

If any of this is presumtive pardom me-

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Old 06-06-2004, 02:54   #17
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Not presumptive at all. I'm in the middle of exams, so going to see a physiologist hasn't really been a possibility (my exams regularly stretch past the time most places close up). I will, however, get an appointment when I'm done.

Increasingly I'm thinking it might have something to do with the overall strength of my leg muscles. I used to be GTG because I skied and played Rugby, but it seems that they have deteriorated a fair amount. Would this be a reason for shin splints?

My sneakers are screwed after a month of training. This might also be the source.

My biggest problem here is that there are too many variables! Normally I can isolate and fix the problem, here I have trouble figuring out the causal relationship. Ah well, I can suck it up like I've been doing thus far. Thanks for the help.

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Old 06-06-2004, 21:36   #18
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Does your training consist of primarily running that aggrevates your shins, or are there other activities as well?

You mentioned earlier that you experience this while sprinting specificly sprinting in persuit of the bus. Rest is the best therapy for splints and pain that I am aware of.

Is it necessary for you to do as much sprint training as you are currently doing or can you decrease it? Unless your two mile times are poor perhaps its not needed.

Also it could be that you never started correclty and needed more time to prepare for aggresive training. If you have time you might want to take a month off from running and start over using one of the beginning 10k regimines-

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Old 06-07-2004, 01:13   #19
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I'm 'taking a break' right now, more because of exams than anything else. I still have to sprint for the bus, though. With the exception of sprinting for the bus or to school if I'm late, I generally run 20 miles a weekend, although it varies based on how much time I have available and what the weather is like. I've been running shorter distances up until now, getting progressively larger. Shin splints really only resulted from sprinting, but sometimes they appeared after a run.

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Old 06-07-2004, 12:13   #20
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May I ask what your end goal is?

If it is lifestyle fitness pehaps you should turn the running down a notch or two, and compliment your cardio workout with biking etc if you arent already.

If however your goal is a cetain level of ability by a specific target date you will need to modify your workout to prevent injury. I firmly believe many potential careers in the military, SOF, or LE end on a street or gym somewhere in the potential cadidates locale before they ever start due to improper training.

Then again, maybe that too is part of the selection process-

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Old 06-07-2004, 12:47   #21
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It's a mixture of the two. Primarily I want to be fit for ROTC and then SFAS, but clearly the training necessitated keeps me in above average condition.
Is 20 miles too much? I can run 10 happily, so when I had been doing that for several weeks without injury or undue stress, I had a long weekend and tried running 10 one day, rest, then 10 again the day after. That was also okay, so I did 10-10 and it wasn't as easy, but wasn't impossible, either.

I saw that as a gradual enough transition to prevent injury, but of course I have no qualification to make that judgement.

I've started to ruck more often now than run, largely because of the shin splints, so they should calm down eventually. Is it possible that the undue stresses from the 10 mile runs did manifest themselves in the running, but instead in the short sprints?

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Old 06-07-2004, 14:58   #22
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I think youre running too much. Running back to back 10 milers on a weekend isnt healthy for your legs in my opinion.

Many lifestyle runners will go out every day but I recommend 3-4 times a week with a day of rest in between and ruck 2-3 times a week with no more than 55 lbs. Try running /marching on only soft surfaces. This may take some effort but remember you are only as good as your feet/legs if you are planning a highspeed career, invest in them wisely as they are two of your most valuable assets.

See www.jeffgalloway.com (Running Free with Jeff Galloway) and see if he has anything to offer you. Also look at www.runnersworld.com. Look at some running schedules and then tailor one to suite you and your needs. Notice that they are all staggered in mileage. You might try using a log. Some people like this and it can be useful in identifying activities that lead to injury.

Unless you are training for a marathon it isnt necessary to run so many miles. 5k (3.1 mile) training is more than sufficient for the 2 mile APFT and 10k (6.2 mile) will take care of just about anything else you will come across. You can run longer distances and stay healthy but its not necessary unless you are planning a marathon or mini-marathon. There are training books to do this.

I hope this in some way helps-

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Old 06-07-2004, 15:01   #23
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I figured that I'd need to do ridiculous amounts of running for SF, so I wanted to be in marathon condition. If that's not necessary, I'll scale back my activities to 7 milers.

Thank you for the advice,

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Old 06-07-2004, 15:18   #24
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I'm not BTDT but from what distances Ive been told to expect the above mileage will prepare you. A good measure is the 5 week SF prep:

http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/sfas/prepare.html

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Old 06-07-2004, 15:26   #25
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Can a BTDT verify this before I change my regime? Not necessarily in regards to SFAS, but in comparison to your own regimes or something similar.

No disrespect intended ccrn, I just want to double check. Your guidance has been valuable.

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Old 06-23-2004, 11:58   #26
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Ahem, allow me to educate the rooom..

I am an infantry squad leader with 10 years of service. I know alot about shin splints. Here goes. Shin splints is a broad term that people use to define all sorts of pain in the lower legs. Especially the delayed muscle soreness that occurrs along the front of the leg, usually due to muscle weakness.

You can strenghten this muscle by running backwards, partner assisted exercises, standing pigeon toed and rising to your tip toes and then returning to the start position.

Also in some cases the tibia actually develops a fracture in which case you are out and just have to let it heal up. You can tell if you've got a fracture by an MRI or a bone scan. Both of which are very expensive, and not usually the first thing a doctor has you do. Usually they prescribe rest, ice, elevation, etc.

A podiatrist will check your gait, check which of your legs is longer (most people have one longer than the other), look at your feet to decide whether your feet are supinated or pronated, (high arches or fallen arches). Recommend a podiatrist for everybody, you could have one leg shorter, in which case they will give you some high quality orthotics.

If your feet are pronated they will usually have some orthotics made. And also prescribe rest, ice, elevation.

If pain still persists, its time to see an orthopaedic surgeon. You could have Medial Tibial Stress Syndrome - MTSS - true shin splints.

This can be helped by an operation, a fasciotomy. One leg is operated on at a time, usually there are two surgeries one for each leg, conducted six weeks apart, but, if you are a true wacko, and your doc is malleable, you might be able to convince him to do both legs at once, this will shorten the total recovery time by 6 weeks. NOT RECOMMENDED. Anyhow... now onto the surgery...

An incision is made along the inside of the lower leg. The nerve running along the inside of your lower leg and down into your arch through your ankle is isolated and set aside to avoid injury, the afflicted muscle is identified (there are three small ones in this area) , and its fascia is slit open. Then the surgeon will move the muscle aside and score the face of your bone, sort of fish scaling it, with a hand held steel tool, I think its called an osceoscope or something like that. It takes about an hour and a half under general anesthesia.

I ran for 10 years without ever having a single case of shin splints, then one day they just came on. I did all of the above. Just had my first surgery last week. My surgery would have had a better chance of success had I done it the first year I had this problem, back in 1996.

I am 34 years old, I made up my mind to become a special forces soldier while deployed last fall. Since my return, I began training like a mad man, and then, I just couldnt train at the level of intensity I needed to. So, I decided to take the bull by the horns, the pain was not going away with any amount of rest, ice, or stretching. I needed to get this worked on. It is the single greatest obstacle to my success, so I identified the root of the problem, the friction in my loop.

This surgery is done after all other conservative treatments listed above have failed. In my case - YEARS after first being afflicted with shin splints and being told to work out harder, to strech more, to run at different frequencies for different durations, to rest, to exercise more, etc.

I burn for the lifestyle that so many of you have. I cannot imagine ever walking away from it once I arrive. Every day, I think about how long a journey I have ahead of me. Like any great undertaking, this one will be built by small moments of consistant effort.

I think there are more Soldiers who suffer with this problem than one might think. But they suffer in silence, cause when you have these types of shin splints, it doesnt bother you to walk, or stand, only to run. And so others might think you are a malingerer, so you motrin up, and suck it up, and fall out of runs. STOP! See an orthopaedic surgeon, the younger you are the better the chances of success. There are not many studies into this problem. But I have one that was conducted in the UK.

The study follows several patients who had the condition and corrective surgery. The good news is that 80% of them had some rediction in the level of pain they felt. And only one of them had an increase in pain. I hope.

Anyhow, I live in Redding, CA. My doc is a retired Navy doc. And he's done his fair share of this operation before. I handed him my digital camera as I went into surgery, and he took photos. If any of you would like to see them, you can contact me at jose.a.garcia1@us.army.mil

The post surgery wasnt too bad at all. My wife picked me up and drove me home. I was somewhat naseous the rest of the day. The wound is about 8 inches long, intially covered with steri strips, gauze, and an ace bandage. I kept it iced and elevated for two days. Its been exactly one week since surgery, and I am able to stand and sort of limp around enough to do chores, go shopping, and go to the gym. I was prescribed vicodin, and motrin. I hardly took any vicodin at all, maybe 6 pills. The bottle is still sort of full. The motrin is for swelling. So I take that daily.

Around the ankle on inside of my leg its numb, and slightly swollen, the wound is numb still, but the numbness is fading, and the entire affair is sort of itchy now. I think that is good.

My advice to anyone suffering pain along the inside of their lower legs or outside of the lower leg, is to first see a podiatrist immediately, have them treat you for six months, if your are unable to run w/o pain, then see an orthopaedic surgeon.
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Old 06-23-2004, 12:11   #27
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Thank you for that information. I think (hope) that it was from over-exertion or maybe just a sprain of some kind. It only ever occurs in my right leg, which is slightly worrying because it hints at a deeper problem. I'm resuming my proper running this summer after as much rest as I can get for my leg.. I suppose that's when I'll know if it was a temporary problem or if things are going to get much worse.
I hope you recover quickly and everything works out,

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Old 06-25-2004, 13:02   #28
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Follow up

Had my post op follow up this morning. Pre op, the doc had told me he was going to put a cast on it. But when I woke from surgery there was no cast.

So I asked him about that today. He told me that originally he had planned to fishscale the bone. But when he opened up my leg he could see that it was a muscular problem alone, and that the muscle was scarred, and had been injured.

So he conducted the fasciotomy, did some cauterization, (not sure why) 'tacked' the muscle back in place and sewed me up.

Its been about 10 days, and I no longer need a cane or crutches, he told me to start cycling and working out in the pool.

I am excited that the bone was not an issue, he says my chances for a full recovery are now about 85%. In six weeks I will have the right leg done.
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Old 06-25-2004, 13:37   #29
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Excellent news! Do you know what the injury was from, or if it was just scar tissue left over from muscle growth?

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Old 06-29-2004, 13:30   #30
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I cant imagine how I got all that scar tissue built up on the muscle, I was never down and out with a leg injury. I didnt think to ask my doc how I had acquired so much of it.

I suppose that subconsciously I assumed it was built up from years of running, and finally reached a level where it caused severe pain to run.

I hope its the same case with my right leg. If there is anything wrong with the bone, the recovery time has to increase. So in many ways I am lucky so far.

Swimming and riding bicycles are something that I have never felt a 'burn' from (when compard to running) , but as of now, they are the only two cardio exercises he has allowed me to do. So now I am chasing a runners high in the pool.
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