A shortened SFAS?

[Pete]

I'll say this about Land Nav.

It is the first time for a lot of people that everything is on "YOU". A person knows the basics but after that "YOU" have to apply it.

You start to fall behind, miss a point, can you regroup or do you panic and start running through the woods hoping to find something? Do you get rattled, loose gear, drop things, where's your map? Try to make up time, run the roads? Take the short cut where all the blue and brown lines come together?

Yeah, Land Nav can be a life changing experience for some.

I liked it because you were on your own, all night, just a walk in the woods.

[Daver]

Originally Posted by Scimitar

In as much as any word of mouth can be trusted....

I just finished speaking with a buddy who got Med Drop (ITB Syndrome) from the Oct SFAS and will be hitting the Nov class once healed.

He has been told (not sure who by) that they are taking out Land Nav!

I thought it may have been taking down the in-processing and then shaving a day or two off each element.

He also advised that they are considering shortening SOPC-1 to 14 days as well.

For what its worth that’s the word on the street.

Scimitar

Ignore the rumors, especially from anyone who was dropped from SFAS. They are the last people I would place a bet with. The course will not be a gimme by any stretch of the imagination but it hasn't been done yet so once again, for those preparing to go, DON'T QUIT.

[Another 18x]

Daver,

As I am overwhelmed with curiosity, I must ask the same question SF VOL did. Is this a "test class", or is this a fully implemented new policy by SWC?

Thanks for your time.

Respectfully,
-PFC Lakin

[Daver]

Originally Posted by Another 18x

Daver,

As I am overwhelmed with curiosity, I must ask the same question SF VOL did. Is this a "test class", or is this a fully implemented new policy by SWC?

Thanks for your time.

Respectfully,
-PFC Lakin

It's SFAS...it's always a "Test"...the question is, will you pass? PFC, worry about YOU and what YOU are going to do and not any SWC policies. Be overwhelmed with the desire to not quit and the rest will take care of itself. You have much more to do than sit around and be curious.

[Another 18x]

Originally Posted by Daver

It's SFAS...it's always a "Test"...the question is, will you pass? PFC, worry about YOU and what YOU are going to do and not any SWC policies. Be overwhelmed with the desire to not quit and the rest will take care of itself. You have much more to do than sit around and be curious.

Roger that. Wilco.

And as far as my desire goes, I am never satisfied with my training. Satisfaction is the death of desire, sir.

Thank you for your response. Pardon me if my curiosity was out of line.

Respectfully,
-PFC Lakin

[gottaTRI]

I would hate to be a "perpetuater" of SFAS rumors, however, some SWC cadre are under the impression that the 14-day process will be going on for the next several classes or so. I have no clue and wouldn't speculate on a public forum regarding what changes will be made, but hopefully its an improvement.

As far as the star is concerned, I was surprised how many people took naps for hours and just gave up after 2-3 points. Find that 4th point, its more than do-able and it pays major dividends in the end.

[Novice Snowflake]

I would not be concerned with how short or long the instructional course is because it would be more important to pay attention and be in top physical condition, very mentally tough and be able to receive and do the instructions as told by your drill sergeants.

The military course will take care of itself. You just go through the training and succeed at each block of instructional training that you receive.

I would leave the quality of the training to the drill sergeants because I am sure they do study those kind of things and are making the changes that reflect the realities of wartime combat.

If you feel you are not getting enough instructional training then I would think it would be good to talk to the drill sergeant at the appropriate time, in his office. Not on the field.

If you still think you are not getting the training you think you need then you are going to have to wait until you graduate from the course then seek out additional books or videos on a wide range of topics, like fire craft, survival or hand to hand combat ( I like FSA combatives the best ) and different topics related to your M.O.S. You have to seek out the additional resources to complete your training.

Due to the current political correctness prevalent today, your best bet would be to study diligently the old school methods as well as the new school methods and talk to another combat veterans once you graduate and are one of the Quiet Professionals. I would also think that even if a Quiet Professional who has not seen any combat but has experience in another areas of military training also has alots to offer too.

If I am wrong in any of these things then please correct me.

I also do want to emphasize that I am not in the Army yet, let alone being a Quiet Professional but I have observed all those things on the History Channel and The Discovery Channel about the Green Berets ( The Quiet Professionals ) and picked up alots of good information both verbally and non-verbally from the tough military courses that they were going through at each block of instructional training in the real life documentaries that were shown on television.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Hardworksoldier

I...instructions as told by your drill sergeants....I also do want to emphasize that I am not in the Army yet, let alone being a Quiet Professional but I have observed all those things on the History Channel and The Discovery Channel about the Green Berets ( The Quiet Professionals ) and picked up alots of good information both verbally and non-verbally from the tough military courses that they were going through at each block of instructional training in the real life documentaries that were shown on television.

Grasshopper;

You may want to hold back posting on threads similar to this.


Pete

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Hardworksoldier

If I am wrong in any of these things then please correct me.

I also do want to emphasize that I am not in the Army yet, let alone being a Quiet Professional but I have observed all those things on the History Channel and The Discovery Channel about the Green Berets ( The Quiet Professionals ) and picked up alots of good information both verbally and non-verbally from the tough military courses that they were going through at each block of instructional training in the real life documentaries that were shown on television.

Step 1: If you are not in SF, have not completed the SFQC, or SFAS, or Basic Airborne, or AIT, or OSUT, or Basic, stop giving advice. It is without any value.

Step 2: If you have not attended SFAS, stop trying to offer your opinion about the training, as it has no merit.

Step 3: Stop posting on topics or providing input where you have no experience. Television does not count as reality.

Got it?

TR

[allester666]

I certainly hope that Land Nav is NOT omitted, I have also always enjoyed a personnal challenge. Without violating OPSEC, I will let you know what the 14 day class is like when I get back. Leaving in 5 days for the 27 Nov 07 - 11 Dec 07 class.

[Daver]

Originally Posted by allester666

I certainly hope that Land Nav is NOT omitted, I have also always enjoyed a personnal challenge. Without violating OPSEC, I will let you know what the 14 day class is like when I get back. Leaving in 5 days for the 27 Nov 07 - 11 Dec 07 class.

That 666 ending is a little strange! IF you make it through the class don't assume that your experience will enlighten you to any OPSEC. IF you are selected, you won't have any clue why you made it...you won't care. IF you aren't selected, you still won't know exactly why either. IF you quit, you'll have your answer. We make sure that the OPSEC you speak of isn't ever revealed so DON'T WORRY about violating anything because you can't.
Do The Best You Can.

[MtnGoat]

14 days SFAS!!!????!! Don't like this Idea at all.

TR said it best, can't be any better if its shorten.

The why factor is driving this. Numbers with the new Bn and all of these 18Xs that came in back in 2002 and 2003 are getting out is why. So we need to keep the numbers up, so how do we do this.

My .02 here. Don't shorten the days for the begin of the SFQC. Maybe look at reenlistment bonuses for first term SF SMs.

The best thing to do is Tm Sgts to stop sending these new 18Xs to schools like SOTIC, SFARTEC, 18F, BA, all of these high dollar jobs on the outside with three or four letter acronyms. They would more likely stay in because of it. When they are young and can make 150,00 plus a year, they leave. Send 18Xs to JM and Ranger school, MOS training; thats were they need to be sent. If you don't have a body on the ODA, don't send an 18X. Only send one it if and when he reenlists.

Look I know some will get out. When I instructed I saw many that came in for the cause and to be apart of something. Great for them. They gave up a six figure pay check to do that. Others are using SF as a stepping plate to go to a three Organization to work for.

I'm in the 18F course right now with three 18Xs I put through the SFQC. Two out of the three are talking about getting out. One for sure. Just because they have all of these nice three or four letter acronyms courses that will make them a ton of money. I asked them would you stay in if you didn't have the training? YES was the answer with follow ups.

SWC could go back and look at all of these 18X getting out; they would see how much money in spent on these guys and now they are working for NEK, TC or BW not directly for US Army.

No need to shorten SFAS, they are other ways to keep the numbers up.


Sorry for the rant.

VG

[Another 18x]

Any new news on the shortened SFAS via grads or QP's?

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Another 18x

Any new news on the shortened SFAS via grads or QP's?

Why?

TR

[Razor]

Originally Posted by Another 18x

Any new news on the shortened SFAS via grads or QP's?

Yup--it will be one of the hardest things you've ever done in your life, very much like the older, longer course. You may want to consider getting your mind right, train harder and stop worrying about things outside of your sphere of control.