05-08-2004, 18:59
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Sorry for the earlier answer Doc. Should have inserted imoticon thingy to show sarcasm for the most part.
Not exactly sure what NDD is looking for. My background is ex-infantry soldier, current practicing paramedic in a largish city.
I know the way I do things on the streets is different than the way military medics do things given the circumstances.
Take Care,
rak
PS-James I know your're itching to jump in on this one.....get some fellow Southern Fried Medic!!!
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05-08-2004, 20:20
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What I'm looking for is the medical section of the new and real world soldier's manual of common tasks.
I figure a non-medic can learn and retain about 5-6 "advanced" DX/TX that will save a life on the battlefield.
Emergency Procedures for the non-medick prioritized for the battlefield.
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05-08-2004, 20:23
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I'll be over here practicing hand-tying sutures on the cat if you need anything.
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05-08-2004, 20:27
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Let me put it another way:
Your A Detachment, A-001, just got alerted for Afghanistan. To deploy NLT 6 days. You are the only medic. The Team Sergeant tells you you have 5 one hour blocks of instruction to train the Team on medical subjects.
Show the POI.
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05-08-2004, 20:29
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I'll be over here practicing hand-tying sutures on the cat if you need anything.
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one of my old partners used to make medical students in the middle of their interview for surgical residency tie knots...... he'd pull out a piece of suture material and tell them to start, one handed and two handed... if they couldn't do it he gave them very low marks...
it was amazing how many couldn't ...lol.
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05-12-2004, 08:45
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5 hours to teach? Are we then concentrating on trauma Tx? If so, how about the following:
1. Use of an NPA
2. How to do a good primary survey (reminding the guys that GSWs often have entry AND exit holes, how to log roll a pt, etc)
3. Quick refresher on TQ use (pre-made and expedient, placement, etc)
4. How to Dx a tension pneumothorax and perform a needle thoracostomy (is that the right term?) or apply an expedient flutter valve.
5. Make everyone open up their med kits, pull out each item, briefly go over its use and repack it so the equipment, its purpose and its location is fresh in everyone's mind.
6. Narcotic/other pain med administration
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05-12-2004, 08:53
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1.ABC’c
2.Primary surveys
3.IV’s
4.Dustoff procedures under fire
5.Basic GSW care and bandages
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05-12-2004, 14:14
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5 hours to teach? Are we then concentrating on trauma Tx? If so, how about the following:
4. How to Dx a tension pneumothorax and perform a needle thoracostomy (is that the right term?) or apply an expedient flutter valve.
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Just curious here, but if the intent here is to instruct non-medics, are there any military policy issues with non-medics performing a needle thoracostomy (which in my world is an ALS skill requiring medical control), or are we operating under the "save your buddy's life first, sort out the legal details later" principle? I'm not arguing against, just wondering if the military medical system is flexible enough to allow for this. I've also noticed that IV skills are taught fairly liberally in military cirlces.
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05-12-2004, 15:29
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Well, NDD set the scenario as a USSF ODA, operating with only one 18D. Considering their potentially austere operational environment and definite lack of medical support, I'm more concerned with saving lives than worrying about who is doing what. Shoot, I was only two weeks on a team when the 18D decided it was time to update shots, so he grabbed me and said, "Ok, this is how you administer an IM injection." After a 15 second demo, he handed me a syringe, grabbed the senior 18E and said, "Now you try it."
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05-22-2004, 08:23
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Here's mine
DX
1. Not breathing
2. Pneumo/hemo thorax
3. Arterial bleeding
4. Shock
5. Blast injuries/Burns
TX
1. Open airway
2. Cryc
3. Occlusive dsngs/ACS, etc.
3. Stop the bleeding
- Direct Pressure
- Clotting agents
- Tourniquet
5. Treat for shock/Ivs, etc.
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05-30-2004, 10:12
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Was this a bad question?
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05-30-2004, 10:37
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Great question, I am just lurking to learn here.
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