04-19-2007, 23:04
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And my letter (email) to the cowardly Reid. Please everyone send this POS at least an email.
Senator Reid,
Your poor choice of words today have infuriated me. Your declaration of our having lost the war has certainly energized the insurgency in Iraq. Your posturing for political gain was far more damaging than the recent deaths in Baghdad you used as evidence of our having lost this war.
You show how little you understand fighting insurgencies. I would recommend you read Mao's treatise on the subject.
"Baghdad Bob", though dismissed as a fool during the fall of Baghdad, understood the power of words. While American Soldiers were Showering in Saddam's Bathroom Nearby Presidential Palace:
"We have killed most of the [coalition] infidels, and I think we will finish off the rest soon."
Baghdad Bob was not the fool you proved to be today.
Today Al Queda and the Insurgents are rejoicing in your words. They will be shouting from the minarets, proclaiming victory due to your cowardly and self serving pronouncement of defeat.
My son is currently serving in Iraq in a highly dangerous area of the country. You sir, did not give comfort to my son this day, you gave comfort to and further emboldened the enemy.
You have energized the enemy with your words, yet, unwittingly, you have energized the families of our military and the veterans who still remember your kind during Viet Nam.
Keith Olson
Greeley, Colorado
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04-19-2007, 23:18
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Hipshot,
An EXCELLENT letter to Reid!
Your son is in my thoughts and prayers.
RC201
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04-19-2007, 23:23
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And just after I posted my thoughts to Hipshot, I see that COLawman also sent Reid a blazing letter. Bravo !
Your son is in my thoughts and prayers, as well, CoLawman.
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04-20-2007, 07:07
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You have energized the enemy with your words, yet, unwittingly, you have energized the families of our military and the veterans who still remember your kind during Viet Nam.
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You can't say it any clear then that. Good job Keith.
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04-20-2007, 08:08
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My biggest problem with all this is that on a regular basis (it seems anyway) congress, and in particular the "dim"ocratic party, speaks out about military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan as if they are SMEs on whats taking place there.
I don't know all of their backgrounds, but to me, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and their friends have NO BUSINESS standing up in front of everyone and telling them "how the war is lost" or "how terrible things are going..."
They have just as much business doing that as I do telling everyone about being a QP. Its not my lane to tell everyone about the Q and being on a team when I don't even leave for selection until next week... by the same token, I think congress has NO RIGHT to tell the American people how "bad" things are and that we've "lost the war" when they don't wear stars on their collars.
Leave that stuff to the Theater Commander or the CiNC.
Just my opinion.
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04-20-2007, 08:19
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Hello, Mustafa?
This is Harry Reid, I just wanted to let you know our plan to demoralize and ridicule the American troops is underway, one problem though...
Y'know that speech you asked me to give, "We have already lost..." yeah, that one.
It seems to have backfired and done nothing but piss off some very well trained, well armed guys over in your area. I'd lay low for a while, I didn't realize the US Military would axctually get more motivated to make sure their job is done right.
Oh, yeah, we'll not be in contact for a while, I think my e-mail server is going to explode from all the angry communications, and I need to go into hiding - the friggin Military is after me now too.
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04-20-2007, 08:24
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Note out to Senator Reid.
http://reid.senate.gov/
Letter from Nevada residents will have much more impact with him.
Since this was directed specifically from us to him, please do not copy it verbatim, but feel free to use it as the basis or format for your own correspondence. If you copy it, they will think that these are all form letters and will toss them out. As they will probably do, regardless.
"Sir:
I am not one of your constituents, but as you are the Senate Majority leader, you do, in a sense, represent me.
I cannot believe your recent comments that we have lost the war in Iraq. Your vision appears to be myopic and pessimistic, to say the least.
This has given tremendous aid and comfort to our enemies. After all, you have declared our defeat publicly, and our intent to retreat. This is incredible. When the terrorists reach our shores, as they most certainly will, after we surrender and leave them full liberty in Iraq, the blood of innocent US civilians will be on your hands.
Unilaterally announcing our defeat means that thousands of my brothers and hundreds of billions of our tax dollars spent since the defeat of Sadaam have been spent in vain.
Clearly, no one wants to die for a lost cause, or be the last one killed, so I am sure that our brave Soldiers and Marines are demoralized by your comments, and recruiting will suffer for it as well.
What are our allies in this venture to think of us and our alliances? Can we be counted on in the future if the going gets rough?
Are Osama and al Queda correct, that we, as Americans no longer have the stomach for casualties or a protracted conflict?
Has the Democratic Party and our leadership abandoned the brave and bold words of President Kennedy?
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
This much we pledge—and more.
To those old allies whose cultural and spiritual origins we share, we pledge the loyalty of faithful friends. United, there is little we cannot do in a host of cooperative ventures. Divided, there is little we can do—for we dare not meet a powerful challenge at odds and split asunder.
To those new States whom we welcome to the ranks of the free, we pledge our word that one form of colonial control shall not have passed away merely to be replaced by a far more iron tyranny. We shall not always expect to find them supporting our view. But we shall always hope to find them strongly supporting their own freedom—and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside.
To those peoples in the huts and villages across the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required—not because the Communists may be doing it, not because we seek their votes, but because it is right. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich."
Sir, today, I am sorry to be a member of a defeated military, as you seem to think it is.
In closing. I would remind you of the words of Cicero:
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." - Marcus Tullius Cicero (42 B.C.)
Very Respectfully-
TR"
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04-20-2007, 08:29
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Well here's the letter I just wrote.
Dear Senator Reid,
Although not one of your direct constituents I am compelled to write you with regard to your stance on Iraq, specifically regarding your comments of defeat. I have heard you state that “the American public” has spoken…that may be true in your mind but you are not speaking for this American. Or many other Americans that I know, and it’s time WE are heard.
It is literally beyond comprehension how you and others can unequivocally state “the war in Iraq is lost militarily and "can only be won diplomatically, politically and economically" after more than four years of fighting.” The aid and comfort you are providing to the enemy with those comments alone amaze me. Do you not think those that wish to destroy America will “wait it out” until we prematurely withdraw? Not to mention that these types of statements are used as propaganda tools and recruitment for “their cause”. Do you not hear/read/listen to many of the Military members who DO see progress? Do you remember your history, and the time it took our very own Country to “stand up” after the War of Independence for example?
General Petraeus stated that “Hard is not hopeless”. Do you not believe him, the man “on the ground”, when he offers his intelligent observations as to what is going on? How can you even think of attaching a deadline and other mundane “pork” to a funding bill for the war and the Military? Is your dislike for the present administration so strong that no matter what the POTUS does, it’s not right…not good enough?
I’m beyond disgusted and appalled at the Democratic “leadership” regarding our Military efforts and our Armed Forces. America’s Military and our efforts to retard the growth of terrorism can only be lost one way. That, Senator Reid, would be the result of the consistent lack of support from the leaders, and the overwhelming negative media “reports” on what is truly happening in Iraq and in other hot spots around the world. Most of these “reporters” get their information second hand, from their hotel rooms in the GZ.
Saying you support the Troops but not the war is akin to a slap on the face of every man and woman serving. They are not mutually exclusive, that statement is truly laughable.
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04-20-2007, 09:18
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This was sent to me, thought I'd share it....
"I'm Tired"
Two weeks ago, as I was starting my sixth month of
duty in Iraq, I was
forced to return to the USA for surgery for an injury
I sustained prior to
my deployment. With luck, I'll return to Iraq to
finish my tour.
I left Baghdad and a war that has every indication
that we are winning, to
return to a demoralized country much like the one I
returned to in 1971
after my tour in Vietnam. Maybe it's because I'll turn
60 years old in just
four months, but I'm tired:
I'm tired of spineless politicians, both Democrat and
Republican who lack
the courage, fortitude, and character to see these
difficult tasks through.
I'm tired of the hypocrisy of politicians who want to
rewrite history when
the going gets tough.
I'm tired of the disingenuous clamor from those that
claim they 'Support the
Troops' by wanting them to 'Cut and Run' before
victory is achieved.
I'm tired of a mainstream media that can only focus on
car bombs and
casualty reports because they are too afraid to leave
the safety of their
hotels to report on the courage and success our brave
men and women are
having on the battlefield.
I'm tired that so many Americans think you can rebuild
a dictatorship into a
democracy over night.
I'm tired that so many ignore the bravery of the Iraqi
people to go to the
voting booth and freely elect a Constitution and soon
a permanent
Parliament.
I'm tired of the so called 'Elite Left' that prolongs
this war by giving aid
and comfort to our enemy, just as they did during the
Vietnam War.
I'm tired of antiwar protesters showing up at the
funerals of our fallen
soldiers. A family who's loved ones gave their life in
a just and noble
cause, only to be cruelly tormented on the funeral day
by cowardly
protesters is beyond shameful.
I'm tired that my generation, the Baby Boom -- Vietnam
generation, who have
such a weak backbone that they can't stomach seeing
the difficult tasks
through to victory.
I'm tired that some are more concerned about the
treatment of captives than
they are the slaughter and beheading of our citizens
and allies.
I'm tired that when we find mass graves it is seldom
reported by the press,
but mistreat a prisoner and it is front page news.
Mostly, I'm tired that the people of this great nation
didn't learn from
history that there is no substitute for Victory.
Sincerely,
Joe Repya,
Lieutenant Colonel, U. S. Army
101st Airborne Division
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04-20-2007, 10:06
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Originally Posted by x-factor
Radar - It was either the President of Indonesia or Singapore who said that American involvement in Vietnam ended up being a victory, not because it secured Vietnam, but because it halted the spread of Asian communism long enough for the rest of SE Asia to secure itself (and later to enjoy the economic boom). Take that for what its worth.
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Probably the Indo President.
And how did the Indonesians deal with the threat of communism.
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04-20-2007, 10:29
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Weasly Reid was just on news earlier saying he meant to say "we lost war if the current policy was continued"...
must be taking some incomming...hehehe
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04-20-2007, 10:37
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Oscar Foxtrot Sierra!  Way to go folks!
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04-20-2007, 11:36
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Originally Posted by x SF med
Hello, Mustafa?
This is Harry Reid, I just wanted to let you know our plan to demoralize and ridicule the American troops is underway, one problem though...
Y'know that speech you asked me to give, "We have already lost..." yeah, that one.
It seems to have backfired and done nothing but piss off some very well trained, well armed guys over in your area. I'd lay low for a while, I didn't realize the US Military would axctually get more motivated to make sure their job is done right.
Oh, yeah, we'll not be in contact for a while, I think my e-mail server is going to explode from all the angry communications, and I need to go into hiding - the friggin Military is after me now too.
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Bravo Sir!
Very well written IMHO.
Holly
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04-20-2007, 11:50
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Sent my letter to Mr. Reid..... among other things I wrote that I hope he has awakened a large majority of old military people who will make the commotion raised by the "swift boat crew" look like a speck in the eye of a flea and it was all coming his way.
Don't think it was a eloquent as the other letters, but it will help sharpen the stake!
Jim
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04-20-2007, 12:01
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arrgh!
Mine is by far as eloquent, yet I hope it slips through, and gets read.
(TR--I quoted You Sir.)
"I am not one of your constituents, but as you are the Senate Majority leader, you do, in a sense, represent me." TR
Senator, since you feel this war is lost, why not go ahead and join this site!
http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/aboutwbc.html
The Westboro Babtist Church folks have plenty in common with you...Most important, they spit on the graves of those who have paid the ultimate price for OUR Freedom.
And in case you forgot, let me, as a simple American, remind you.
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE!!!
You should be ashamed of yourself, and instead of throwing out lame excuses for your words, you should stand up and be a real MAN, and appologize to Our Brave Troops!
Holly
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