Clinton Promises to End War if Elected

[CoLawman]

It certainly was, see my "Trumanesque" comment.

I was using Hiroshima as an historical event that was unimaginable and unprecedented in immediate alteration of lives, economy, and governmental rule. That single event ( and Nagasaki) ,arguably, even changed the people's perception of their Diety.

[rubberneck]

Originally Posted by BMT

What will the Red Diesel do now??

BMT

Bring suit in federal court and issue arrest warrants.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by BMT

Another what if scenario:

The Red Diesel get's elected.
The troops are pulled out.
Recuriting and retention drops across the board.

Major city gets hit.

What will the Red Diesel do now??



BMT

Well, what has happened to most of the other enemies of the Klintons? Do we need to bring that list out again?

No doubt the opponents will commit suicide or die under mysterious circumstances.

Seriously, I predict that if the Dims hold the Congress and win the Presidency, there will be another attack on the US, possibly with WMD.

TR

[JMI]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Seriously, I predict that if the Dims hold the Congress and win the Presidency, there will be another attack on the US, possibly with WMD.

TR

I respectively submit that Dems said the same thing when Bush got elected to a 2nd term, and in fact some of the same things I am hearing from the right I was hearing from the left.

We will be attacked when they are ready, and not because of who is in the WH, IHMO. What better time to attack than now, when we are overextended on two fronts. Probably because they are not ready.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by JMI

I respectively submit that Dems said the same thing when Bush got elected to a 2nd term, and in fact some of the same things I am hearing from the right I was hearing from the left.

We will be attacked when they are ready, and not because of who is in the WH, IHMO. What better time to attack than now, when we are overextended on two fronts. Probably because they are not ready.

I disagree.

As strong anti-terrorism policies, like the database mining, warrantless wiretaps, interrogations and incarcerations at Gitmo, etc. are discarded by the Dims, the odds of catching terrorists before the event goes way down.

Under a Dim Administration, terrorists will have their full Constitutional rights to privacy, which will include to plan strikes against the U.S.

How many terrorist acts have occurred in the U.S, under the Bush Administration, compared to the Klinton Administration, and what have the responses been? How many have occurred in the U.S. since 9/11?

If I were a terrorist, I would much rather operate under the Dims than the Repubs. What are they going to do, cruise missile some more empty camps?

TR

[tk27]

Do you think extreme-right wing terrorism will come back if Hillary is elected?
What about collaboration w/ the and AQ? I still have my suspicions about the Nichols-Cebu City link.

I don't see much of a difference between repubs and dems, but I see these nuts coming back out of the woodwork if Hillary is elected. I think Hofstadter nailed it for the ages with his paranoid style of American politics.

[Dub]

If there has ever been a difference its now, with more repubs wanting an active persecution of the war on terror, while dems would rather get out, and watch what happens (which will be things going further south). Thats a large difference to me.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by BMT

Another what if scenario:

The Red Diesel get's elected.
The troops are pulled out.
Recuriting and retention drops across the board.

Major city gets hit.

What will the Red Diesel do now??



BMT

I'll add to this.........

Red Diesel vows, if elected, to end war in the Middle East.

Red Diesel gets elected.

US troops are given a 6 month deadline to pull out of the ME. At the same time Red Diesel secretly orders all covert missions to capture/killing Al Qaeda members cease immediately. Red Diesel also orders all secret prisons closed and the GWOT POW’s immediately repatriated to country of capture.

Al Qaeda (without pressure) goes to ground and waits/plans. A global islamic terrorism strategy is discussed between the terrorist leaders of North Korea, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, UAE, Jordan, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Europe and the United States.

US Contractors continue the mission in Iraq.

Military moral, recruiting, retention, patriotism drops to a historic low. Red Diesel’s answer is to drop standards and offer $50,000-$100,000 sign up bonus. Moral, recruiting, retention, and patriotism continues to drop nationwide.

The six month deadline passes, as a show of peace all US troops are withdrawn from the M.E. to include the Straits of Hormuz & Persian Gulf.

islamic radicals are smiling, thank allah and strike simultaneously in Iraq, Lebanon, Israel, north and central Africa, Europe, and the United States.

In Iraq shite and sunni unite to rid Iraq of the infidels. Unarmed contractors are targeted first, kidnapped by the hundreds, tortured and beheaded on al jazeera news. Red Diesel asks UN intervention, UN security consul convenes and discusses the situation for weeks before condemning the torture and beheadings. UN security will take no action to deploy troops to the ME. Thousands of contractors seek refuge in Kuwait, thousands more are captured and held hostage by islamic radicals demanding war crimes charges be brought again the former POTUS. They also demand war reparations be paid to Iraq and the Taliban reinstated as the true government of Afghanistan, or the beheadings will continue. Red Diesel breaks a long standing principle and publicly negotiates with the terrorists.

Lebanon; Hamas, Hezbollah and Abbas’s Fatah cease fighting and attack Israel with a massive wave of diversionary suicide and rocket attacks. These diversionary attacks keep the forces of Israel occupied as a small team of Iranian commandos place a low yield nuclear device in the heart of Israel. After the device explodes war planes from Syria and Egypt attack Israel’s military bases and infrastructure ensuring the destruction of Israel.

As the western world discusses the events low yield nuclear devices detonate in various places in Europe and the UK. These attacks coincide with the yearly muslim hajj. (As a side note millions of European, UK and US muslims are highly encouraged to attend this years hajj by local muslim inmans.)

Al Qaeda contacts former friends of Pablo Escobar to have 10high yeild nuclear devices professionally smuggled into the US from Mexico. This event is made even easier because Red Diesel has "opened" the Southern border to further free trade and better relations with Latin America countries. Eight of ten devices are successfully detonated in the United States. All denotations are located in large cities and all have the same results, millions are killed or wounded. Radiation levels are such that the contaminated areas will be a no man zone for decades. The radioactive particles are traced to a North Korean reactor but Red Diesel demands public confirmation of these results before she will take action. Millions of muslims around the world rejoice at the news of the destruction, millions more join the islamic jihad.

The United States, UK and European Union are on their collective knees.

With no specific country to target no retaliation was taken. During an emergency UN Security meeting China and Russia voted to take no action against Syria and Egypt for their actions against Israel thus negating any action considered by the beleaguered Western Nations. (side note: France’s new muslim president abstained from the vote.)

There are just a few thoughts I had if and when Red Diesel becomes POTUS.

TS

[82ndtrooper]

Originally Posted by CoLawman

It certainly was, see my "Trumanesque" comment.

I was using Hiroshima as an historical event that was unimaginable and unprecedented in immediate alteration of lives, economy, and governmental rule. That single event ( and Nagasaki) ,arguably, even changed the people's perception of their Diety.

WOW !!! Here I was all ready stirring up the cocktails for the Super Bowl and TR and COLAWMAN are talking 3 dimensionally about the philosophy of truth and concequences !!

One think can be said about Hiroshima. If it was simply a pragmatic act, it certainly delivered consequences to Japan that were far beyond Pierces original study of what became "Pragmatism"

I'm back to the beer !!!

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by tk27

Do you think extreme-right wing terrorism will come back if Hillary is elected?
What about collaboration w/ the and AQ? I still have my suspicions about the Nichols-Cebu City link.

I don't see much of a difference between repubs and dems, but I see these nuts coming back out of the woodwork if Hillary is elected. I think Hofstadter nailed it for the ages with his paranoid style of American politics.

That will depend on the policies she tries to create, if she is elected. The Nichols conspiracy theory ranks right up there with black helicopters and wearing tinfoil hats.

Personally, should Hillary become POTUS, I am much more worried about nuts like Janet Reno and Sandy Berger coming out of the woodwork and taking positions of power again.

TR

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I'll add to this.........

Red Diesel vows, if elected, to end war in the Middle East.

Would you mind if I shared this entire post?

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by pegasus

Would you mind if I shared this entire post?

Be my guest.

[82ndtrooper]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

That will depend on the policies she tries to create, if she is elected. The Nichols conspiracy theory ranks right up there with black helicopters and wearing tinfoil hats.

Personally, should Hillary become POTUS, I am much more worried about nuts like Janet Reno and Sandy Berger coming out of the woodwork and taking positions of power again.

TR

with Janet Reno one statement comes to mind..."The MP5 has become the instrument of American civil policy"

[CoLawman]

I recall the Dems spewing rhetoric regarding how we got into Iraq, the need to pull out of Iraq, and the denigration of personal liberties and freedoms due to the Patriot Act etc. I also recall they intentionally downplayed the threat of new terrorist threats on our shores. To have mentioned this as a threat would have highlighted one of the Bush administration's successes......no post 9/11 attacks.

Again, I must disagree. The terrorist attacks are not forumlated in a vacuum. Were they not emboldened during the Clinton years by his failure to act on;
First WTC attack?
Khobar Towers?
African Embassies?

They have attempted new terrorist attacks post 9/11 but were interrupted do to the Patriot Act and other policies put into place under this administration.

Over extended is relative. If we were not engaged in the GWOT in the current theatres, would the threat to our homeland be greater? I believe so.

One can argue that we were overextended in WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam, as well as Gulf War I. When we are at war, then the bulk or our assets are engaged.

We have assets in the Navy and Air Force that are currently twiddling their thumbs. Other enemy nations are clearly aware of the Shock and Awe that can be brought to bear without ground forces.

Perhaps that is why Iran and Russia are concentrating their efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by BMT

Another what if scenario:

The Red Diesel get's elected.
The troops are pulled out.
Recuriting and retention drops across the board.

Major city gets hit.

What will the Red Diesel do now??





BMT

I guess I'm a little slow, but I don't get the "red diesel" name . . .