03-27-2004, 16:00
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LOL - TR was VERY hands on! Boss, get out of the aid bag. Boss, put the demo back in the box. Boss, what are you doing now? Boss, I'll make the comms shots if you don't mind. LOL. Man loves him some trainin'.
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03-27-2004, 16:03
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I think I need to explain my words. Yes commanders, managers and CEOs need to be visible Their visible presence shows the troops they care. To paraphrase from the book "The One Minute Manager" you need to go out of your way "catch" someone doing something right. However micromanagement is IMHO what started to destroy the military in the time of LBJ. This is where use of the chain of command comes in and what I meant by saying that a commander need only directly control his immediate junior leaders. If the commander doesn't allow, expect and demand that his leaders lead he may as well take them out and shoot them.
A smart manager, leader (choose your terms) surrounds himself with good subordinates. This is the difference in a president like LBJ who kept his fingers in every decision and one like GWB who makes it known what he wants and then allows his DOD to do the job.
I stand by my word, one man cannot control a 150 man Signal Company. He needs good Plt Ldrs, Plt Sgts, section chiefs, etc. He needs to allow them to function and any order they give should be theirs. IMNHO the sorriest cop out on the books is for a subordinate to say: "This sucks but the Old Man says to do it."
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03-27-2004, 16:09
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A smart manager, leader (choose your terms) surrounds himself with good subordinates.
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True, but not every manager has the ability to choose his team. How do you lead without good subordinates?
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03-27-2004, 16:09
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Oh I agree, I must have missed something. I hate a micromanager worse than anything. I'm talking about morale, not running the show.
Too often I think, the only time anybody sees their boss' boss is when there as an ass chewing to be had. It should be just the opposite in my book. The BC should let the CCs do the stick and he should look for opportunities to praise (for example).
Too many are "reporteros" - fly in, write everbody up, and fly out.
I was just talking out loud, not answering anything anybody else posted.
Sorry if it seemed that way.
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03-27-2004, 16:18
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5. I've said it several times and I'll say it again - where the hell is the NCO Corps - especially at senior levels?
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I think a lot of the good ones quit when they come up for E-8 and realize they wont be on the line anymore. Those hard chargers dont like desk jobs.
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03-27-2004, 16:18
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True, but not every manager has the ability to choose his team. How do you lead without good subordinates?
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It is your team whether you chose them or not. You find a way. its usually easier that it would seem.
One way is not bitchin' at them all the time. They are like kids. You have to pick the most important thing, fix that, then move to the next. If you try to correct everything at once, it just makes them rebel.
Positive reinforcement, leading by example, competition, clearly defined goals, milestones, team building, shared adversity, laughing when things get bad or stupid, all the little tricks. HALO Teams traditionally compete with SCUBA Teams (the two special teams). Groups compete between Groups.
Plus The Hat, its magic. It makes you want to do the best you can.
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03-27-2004, 16:18
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I had written a rather long post on this subject but I seem to have hit the wrong button.
Don't mistake visibility and accessibility for micro-management. If you don't allow, expect and in fact demand that your subordinate leaders do their job you may as well get rid of them. If you are a Bn CO your best assets are your CSM, and Company COs and 1SGs. You keep them doing their job and you will have time to maintain a friendly, positive presence among the troops.
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03-27-2004, 16:21
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I had written a rather long post on this subject but I seem to have hit the wrong button.
Don't mistake visibility and accessibility for micro-management. If you don't allow, expect and in fact demand that your subordinate leaders do their job you may as well get rid of them. If you are a Bn CO your best assets are your CSM, and Company COs and 1SGs. You keep them doing their job and you will have time to maintain a friendly, positive presence among the troops.
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Couldn't agree more.
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03-27-2004, 16:23
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One way is not bitchin' at them all the time. They are like kids. You have to pick the most important thing, fix that, then move to the next. If you try to correct everything at once, it just makes them rebel.
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I learned this lesson the hard way.
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03-27-2004, 16:26
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LOL - most do. I bought a book. 
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03-27-2004, 16:28
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I like this thread. Base, you mind if we just talk about leadership in general instead of the report specifically (like we are already)?
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03-27-2004, 16:30
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I like this thread. Base, you mind if we just talk about leadership in general instead of the report specifically (like we are already)?
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We did a thread on leadership a while back, but I don't think it took. Want me to bump it or should we just keep going here?
[Edit: here it is:
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/...alk+leadership ]
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03-27-2004, 16:32
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Either way is fine with me.
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03-27-2004, 16:42
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You guys interested in giving me advice on some of my current management challenges?
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03-27-2004, 16:44
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