04-13-2006, 07:48
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Originally Posted by Divinely Guided
TR,
I understand you need SECRET clearance prior to attending SOPC/SFAS. But, do they not tell you whether or not your clearance was given prior to getting to the class? Or do they allow you to attend the course before your clearance is determined? The reason I ask is because I have some hindrances that might keep me from obtaining clearance. Either way, I'm going to try. Thanks in advance.
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When you filled out your questionnaire for a clearance did you write down all those “hindrances”?
Granting a secret clearance is fast and easy for responsible individuals devoid of “hindrances”. Individuals with certain types of “hindrances” will never be allowed to join Special Forces or the US military for that matter. Because every individual is different and some actually think they will try to fool the system and not write down all their accumulated “hindrances” when we do find them, and we will, we will “flag” and pull that individual from any training he or she is currently attending and send them packing.
Don’t expect a quick adjudication of your clearance if you possess certain types of “hindrances”.
TS
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04-13-2006, 08:06
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TS is on the money...I used to process EPSQ packets at my old BN. You'd be surprised what some guys had on their record and still were granted a clearance...PROVIDED THEY WERE HONEST. On the other hand, we had a lot denied because some joe left some seemingly minute infraction off and lied about it.
Best thing you can do in your favor is to be up front in the EPSQ packet and any interview that may result.
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04-13-2006, 08:58
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Originally Posted by Divinely Guided
TR,
I understand you need SECRET clearance prior to attending SOPC/SFAS. But, do they not tell you whether or not your clearance was given prior to getting to the class? Or do they allow you to attend the course before your clearance is determined? The reason I ask is because I have some hindrances that might keep me from obtaining clearance. Either way, I'm going to try. Thanks in advance.
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You do not need a clearance to attend SOPC or SFAS.
You do need one to attend the SFQC.
The EPSQ is normally filled out at SFAS. Those who have "hindrances" are not scheduled for the SFQC till they are cleared up and adjudicated. Lying or omitting issues on the EPSQ can and frequently does get you extra negative attention.
I believe that I explained this all in one of the stickies. You might want to do some searching and reading before asking aby more questions.
Good luck.
TR
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04-13-2006, 10:36
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I hope that I am not going outside of my lane with this question. I went to selection this past year and was a non-select. I know that I stunk up the STAR but we were told that land navigation was not the only reason we were not chosen. I am preparing to return to Camp Mackall this June for another try and I am attempting to cure all of my deficiencies. We were not counseled on what the reason(s) we were not selected. I am wondering if there is a way to find out what reason beside land nav that I was not selected.
I fully understand the statement "do your best" however I feel without at least attempting to get some feedback then I am not doing my best.
Thank you very much
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04-13-2006, 14:32
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Pain
I was misunderstood. "Pain" was not as in physical pain. I was talking about dreaming of getting your chance finally go to SFAS in between deployments and schools. Training and mentallly preparing yourself. Busting your hump, and then I got's to do it all over again, but I would gladly do it again.
I wasn't trying to take anything away from the QP's. Your good at what you do and are the best. I've worked with QP's in Iraq. I've seen you all lay your lives on the line day in and day out, and that's the team I want to be on. Sorry if I ticked some of you off. Not my intention.
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04-13-2006, 20:43
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I'm not ticked off. I'm tired of the whining. STAR this and STAR that. Terrain and Distance. If you can't terrain associate at a trot, you shouldn't be allowed outdoors.
There is one reason for "non-select" in my not at all humble opinion. And one reason only.
The individual under going assessment and selection did not answer The Question, though his actions, beyond any shadow of a doubt.
Do you know what The Question is?
BTW: I know you didn't mean physical pain. I am a Medic, not stoopid.
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He knows only The Cause.
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04-13-2006, 20:52
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Guys I just have to say this and if it pisses you off, what can I say. I have been retired for awhile and SFAS was still in it's infancy. SFAS if I remember correctly stands for Special Forces Assessment and Selection there is no "T" in there for Training where you recieve feedback. You are there for people to assess your skills , knowledge and ability to perform. If your attitude is good your skills and brain stay in tact then you are selected. If you want feedback go back to kindergarten for christ sake and leave all theses terrible, diffcult tasks to the people that can perform and accomplish the assigned task.
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04-13-2006, 21:00
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Guys I just have to say this and if it pisses you off, what can I say. I have been retired for awhile and SFAS was still in it's infancy. SFAS if I remember correctly stands for Special Forces Assessment and Selection there is no "T" in there for Training where you recieve feedback. You are there for people to assess your skills , knowledge and ability to perform. If your attitude is good your skills and brain stay in tact then you are selected. If you want feedback go back to kindergarten for christ sake and leave all theses terrible, diffcult tasks to the people that can perform and accomplish the assigned task.
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Will you be my Team Sergeant? Pretty please? I mean when we come back in the next life. 
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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04-13-2006, 21:03
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
Will you be my Team Sergeant? Pretty please? I mean when we come back in the next life. |
He was one of the best.
I was proud to know him. Despite the fact that he was buds with Baum.
TR
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04-13-2006, 21:15
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But its not fair!!!
Na just joking. All your points taken.
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04-13-2006, 21:19
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Do you know what The Question is?
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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04-13-2006, 21:24
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Originally Posted by Carbine
I was misunderstood. "Pain" was not as in physical pain. I was talking about dreaming of getting your chance finally go to SFAS in between deployments and schools. Training and mentallly preparing yourself. Busting your hump, and then I got's to do it all over again, but I would gladly do it again.
I wasn't trying to take anything away from the QP's. Your good at what you do and are the best. I've worked with QP's in Iraq. I've seen you all lay your lives on the line day in and day out, and that's the team I want to be on. Sorry if I ticked some of you off. Not my intention.
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What's PAIN?!?!?!?! 
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04-13-2006, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
When you filled out your questionnaire for a clearance did you write down all those “hindrances”?
Granting a secret clearance is fast and easy for responsible individuals devoid of “hindrances”. Individuals with certain types of “hindrances” will never be allowed to join Special Forces or the US military for that matter. Because every individual is different and some actually think they will try to fool the system and not write down all their accumulated “hindrances” when we do find them, and we will, we will “flag” and pull that individual from any training he or she is currently attending and send them packing.
Don’t expect a quick adjudication of your clearance if you possess certain types of “hindrances”.
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TS-No, I haven't filled out a questionnaire yet. I will be honest when I do so though.
TR-I've searched and have found some great information, but wanted clarification. I read in "Get Selected" that some recruits are sent to the Board for failing to meet the pre-requisites, i.e. ineligible to receive security clearance.
Thank you for your replies.
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04-13-2006, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Divinely Guided
TR-I've searched and have found some great information, but wanted clarification. I read in "Get Selected" that some recruits are sent to the Board for failing to meet the pre-requisites, i.e. ineligible to receive security clearance.
Thank you for your replies.
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If you can't get a clearance, we are not going to put you into training. That would be a total waste of resources.
If there is any doubt, you may be asked to explain your "hindrances" to the board's satisfaction.
Since people who sit on the board are ones you will see again, and are important to your future, lying to them would be a bad idea.
Some people with clearance issues are told that they will not be returning for the SFQC till their clearance has been adjudicated. That can take a while.
You are a long way from the board at the end of SFAS. Odds are very good that even if you sign an 18X contract, you will not make it that far.
My advice to you is to focus on the things you have control of, and the 25 meter target, getting into shape.
TR
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04-13-2006, 21:51
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If you can't get a clearance, we are not going to put you into training. That would be a total waste of resources.
If there is any doubt, you may be asked to explain your "hindrances" to the board's satisfaction.
Since people who sit on the board are ones you will see again, and are important to your future, lying to them would be a bad idea.
Some people with clearance issues are told that they will not be returning for the SFQC till their clearance has been adjudicated. That can take a while.
You are a long way from the board at the end of SFAS. Odds are very good that even if you sign an 18X contract, you will not make it that far.
My advice to you is to focus on the things you have control of, and the 25 meter target, getting into shape.
TR
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Will do, thank you for your reply.
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