03-20-2004, 08:42
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I think it free speech applies to the government, not individuals. I think it means what it says.
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Now I know you are trying to throw chum in the waters! 
When an amendment has the words "the right of the people", then it is generally accepted to mean just that , the people. As in "We the People....", A fact loss on the antigunners and the 2nd Amendment.
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03-21-2004, 16:15
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I'm not following you. The way I read it, the whole Bill of Rights is directed against the government trampling the folks. Not to allow on folk to say whatever he wants to another folk.
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03-21-2004, 16:17
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The way I read it, the whole Bill of Rights is directed against the government trampling the folks. Not to allow on folk to say whatever he wants to another folk.
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This is correct. Absent "state action," there is no constitutional claim to be made. I can kick you out of my house if you call John Wayne a 'mo, for example.
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03-21-2004, 16:22
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Right. So if I, as an individual not an agent of the government making a law, tell somebody to shut up, I am in no way violating their right to free speech.
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03-21-2004, 16:25
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Right. So if I, as an individual not an agent of the government making a law, tell somebody to shut up, I am in no way violating their right to free speech.
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Correct.
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03-21-2004, 16:36
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Good. Now that we've established I am correct on freedom of speech.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion
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I say in the Alabama there was no violation by the judge. Now, if Congress had passed a law saying "There will be a statue of the 10 Commandments in every courthouse in America, then there is a violation.
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03-21-2004, 16:40
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Now I interpret this to mean the gov't shall not establish a state religion. It is not regulating when or where a person can worship according to their individual religion.
Alabama was wrong IMHO.
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03-21-2004, 16:55
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I say in the Alabama there was no violation by the judge. Now, if Congress had passed a law saying "There will be a statue of the 10 Commandments in every courthouse in America, then there is a violation.
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You are ignoring the 14th Amendment.
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03-21-2004, 17:02
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You are ignoring the 14th Amendment.
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How so?
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03-21-2004, 17:12
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http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...ndmentxiv.html
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No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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03-21-2004, 17:16
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Yeah, I read it. How was the judge violating it and which part?
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03-21-2004, 17:28
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Yeah, I read it. How was the judge violating it and which part?
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He put a religious display up in a state courthouse. You can't do that.
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03-21-2004, 17:30
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Where did you get that from RL? I did not see that in there anywhere.
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03-21-2004, 17:39
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He put a religious display up in a state courthouse. You can't do that.
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How do you get that out of the 14th?
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03-21-2004, 18:06
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How do you get that out of the 14th?
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The 14th amendment applies the first ten to the states. There is a bunch of case law on this, but it is 1st amendment case law for the most part.
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