Fort Hood Shooting

[Chris Cram]

Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor

Although I will agree that no one can be right 100% of the time,
you have incorrectly transposed this to mean that no one can be wrong 100% of the time.

Being wrong is much easier than being right. And some can "succeed" in being wrong 100% of the time.

Ditto..

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor

Although I will agree that no one can be right 100% of the time,
you have incorrectly transposed this to mean that no one can be wrong 100% of the time.

Being wrong is much easier than being right. And some can "succeed" in being wrong 100% of the time.

Originally Posted by Chris Cram

Ditto..

The president was wrong to keep Gates on as the secretary of defense? Several months ago, there was a thread that indicated support for Gates's changes to the defense budget <<LINK>>.

The president was wrong to name GEN Shinseki as the secretary of veterans affairs?

One of the many mistakes the incumbent made during his run for the presidency was to argue time and again that America could not afford a McCain presidency as 90% of the time he sided with Bush who was always wrong. While this rhetorical approach played well in some circles and helped him win, he now loses intellectual credibility when he pursues options at all similar to the ones employed by his predecessor.

[kimberly]

Hasan's lawyer says Hasan is paralyzed from the waist down.

That's a real shame, but honestly and seriously, since he was not cut down to martyr himself in the name of Allah, isn't he bound by Islam to finish the job by commiting suicide out of shame from personal failure?

[Warrior-Mentor]

Originally Posted by afchic

Since when are audience members listed in the final report?

I have sat in the audience for a lot of different things throughout my career and have never had my name published in the final report.

Not to say that it couldn't happen, but something sounds off about the response.

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_P...t_05.19.09.PDF

That's what they did in this case. Read through ALL the participants - you'll find that they took attendance at all their events and rolled them into the report.

Pay attention on Pages 30 and 31...or you might miss some of the shady characters...

[afchic]

Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor

Although I will agree that no one can be right 100% of the time,
you have incorrectly transposed this to mean that no one can be wrong 100% of the time.

Being wrong is much easier than being right. And some can "succeed" in being wrong 100% of the time.

Wow, just wow, is all I can say.

[Warrior-Mentor]

Originally Posted by afchic

Wow, just wow, is all I can say.

You should see my football picks.

[Warrior-Mentor]

Originally Posted by kimberly

Hasan's lawyer says Hasan is paralyzed from the waist down.

That's a real shame, but honestly and seriously, since he was not cut down to martyr himself in the name of Allah, isn't he bound by Islam to finish the job by commiting suicide out of shame from personal failure?

STORY HERE:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...2b10a33bd.html

[echoes]

Originally Posted by afchic

I lost my uncle not too long ago, and I made it through the entire ceremony by not looking at my aunt (who I love more than life itself), but finally lost it when I glanced at her during the playing of taps and the 21 gun salute. My mother and husband had to hold me up to keep me from collapsing under my grief.

afchic,

Lost my Uncle recently as well. He was not SF, just a "Regular Army type guy", But I am still not making it through His ceremony...as he meant the world to me, and then some.

He did not have a gun salute, or fanfair at his service...but instead I know he would be hoping that Right is Right, and Our Government will do what is right in this case...

IMO, Fry the motherfucker.

Holly

[Snaquebite]

By Allen West

Good article here....

Excerpt

On Thursday, 5 November 2009 Ft Hood became a part of the battlefield in the war against Islamic totalitarianism and state sponsored terrorism.

There may be those who feel threatened by my words and would even recommend they not be uttered. To those individuals I say step aside because now is not the time for cowardice. Our Country has become so paralyzed by political correctness that we have allowed a vile and determined enemy to breach what should be the safest place in America, an Army post.

We have become so politically correct that our media is more concerned about the stress of the shooter, Major Nidal Malik Hasan. The misplaced benevolence intending to portray him as a victim is despicable. The fact that there are some who have now created an entire new classification called; “pre-virtual vicarious Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)” is unconscionable.

This is not a “man caused disaster”. It is what it is, an Islamic jihadist attack.

http://www.redcounty.com/%E2%80%9Ctr...?taxonomy=1745

[Razor]

I'm rather convinced that Hassan was motivated to commit murder by Islamic extremist logic. However, given my abhorrence of the concept of "hate crime" legislation, I think the motivation for his actions should not form the basis for his arrest and trial. Rather, his status as a US citizen and DOD member (in name only, it seems) dictates that he should be tried for, among other charges, murder.

Whether he killed for Allah or Oscar the Grouch, the outcome was the same. The fact that he was a commissioned officer that killed and wounded fellow soldiers makes the act especially heinous to me, and I only wish the Army still used the gallows to carry out a death sentence.

[Snaquebite]

Didn't see this here or in another thread...

Fort Hood Casualties to Receive Combatant Status Under New House Legislation
11/17/09

(WASHINGTON, DC) – Army and civilian personnel who were wounded or killed in the shooting attack on Fort Hood would be granted the same legal status as combatant casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, if bipartisan legislation introduced today by U.S. Representative John Carter (R-TX31) passes into law. Carter was joined by U.S. Representative Michael McCaul (R-TX10) for a news conference unveiling the bill in the House Radio-TV Gallery in the U.S. Capitol this afternoon.

“Our Fort Hood casualties should receive the same benefits and recognition as other combat casualties,” says Carter, who represents the Fort Hood area in the House, “as this was a planned terror attack on U.S. military personnel. It should make no difference in our care for the wounded and the families of the slain whether it occurred on an Army base in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Texas.”

While many military and survivor benefits are the same regardless of the status of the casualty, combatant status allows military personnel to receive the Purple Heart, and civilians to receive the equivalent award, the Secretary of Defense Medal of Freedom. Combatant status would also guarantee that the beneficiaries of all military personnel who lost their lives in the attack would receive the maximum life insurance available, extended family housing privileges, and other benefits.

“This bill is not about investigations or assigning blame,” says Carter. “It is about taking care of our troops and their families first. That’s why we have such strong support from both sides of the aisle, and why we hope and expect this to move quickly.”

Over 30 House Members nearly evenly split between parties joined Carter as original co-sponsors on the legislation. Carter is Co-chairman of the House Army Caucus for the 111th Congress, and is Secretary of the House Republican Conference.

Summary: Fort Hood Families Benefits Protection Act

Combat Status Codified – Military casualties classified as combat zone; Civilian casualties classified as terror attack or contingency operation

Recognition – Military casualties eligible for the Purple Heart, civilians for the Secretary of Defense Medal for the Defense of Freedom

Life Insurance – Guarantees all military beneficiaries receive maximum benefits

Civilian Expenses – Allows the Secretary to pay certain death expenses

Military Bonuses – eliminates repayment of unused bonuses due to service members inability to fulfill duties as a result of injuries from the attack

Expanded Recuperation Benefits

Expanded Survivor Housing Benefits

Taxes – Extends combat casualty state and federal tax benefits


From what I can determine they are supposed to vote on this as early as Tuesday....Hit up your representatives....



http://carter.house.gov/index.cfm?se...40&itemid=1082

Found the bill here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.4088:

While this is thrilling, it also gives me sadness that it literaly takes an act of Congress to do the right thing by our military. Shouldn't that be as second nature as breathing? To take care of those who take care of us and keep us safe and free?

This sort of legislation should have been in place a LONG time ago. To wait till tradegy strikes to do the right thing is just a knee jerk reaction. I hope this bill will not just be for the victims and families of this Fort Hood massacre but for all those who serve and thier families for the rest of the future.
AM

Originally Posted by Snaquebite

Didn't see this here or in another thread...

Fort Hood Casualties to Receive Combatant Status Under New House Legislation
11/17/09

(WASHINGTON, DC) – Army and civilian personnel who were wounded or killed in the shooting attack on Fort Hood would be granted the same legal status as combatant casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, if bipartisan legislation introduced today by U.S. Representative John Carter (R-TX31) passes into law. Carter was joined by U.S. Representative Michael McCaul (R-TX10) for a news conference unveiling the bill in the House Radio-TV Gallery in the U.S. Capitol this afternoon.

“Our Fort Hood casualties should receive the same benefits and recognition as other combat casualties,” says Carter, who represents the Fort Hood area in the House, “as this was a planned terror attack on U.S. military personnel. It should make no difference in our care for the wounded and the families of the slain whether it occurred on an Army base in Iraq, Afghanistan, or Texas.”

While many military and survivor benefits are the same regardless of the status of the casualty, combatant status allows military personnel to receive the Purple Heart, and civilians to receive the equivalent award, the Secretary of Defense Medal of Freedom. Combatant status would also guarantee that the beneficiaries of all military personnel who lost their lives in the attack would receive the maximum life insurance available, extended family housing privileges, and other benefits.

“This bill is not about investigations or assigning blame,” says Carter. “It is about taking care of our troops and their families first. That’s why we have such strong support from both sides of the aisle, and why we hope and expect this to move quickly.”

Over 30 House Members nearly evenly split between parties joined Carter as original co-sponsors on the legislation. Carter is Co-chairman of the House Army Caucus for the 111th Congress, and is Secretary of the House Republican Conference.

Summary: Fort Hood Families Benefits Protection Act

Combat Status Codified – Military casualties classified as combat zone; Civilian casualties classified as terror attack or contingency operation

Recognition – Military casualties eligible for the Purple Heart, civilians for the Secretary of Defense Medal for the Defense of Freedom

Life Insurance – Guarantees all military beneficiaries receive maximum benefits

Civilian Expenses – Allows the Secretary to pay certain death expenses

Military Bonuses – eliminates repayment of unused bonuses due to service members inability to fulfill duties as a result of injuries from the attack

Expanded Recuperation Benefits

Expanded Survivor Housing Benefits

Taxes – Extends combat casualty state and federal tax benefits


From what I can determine they are supposed to vote on this as early as Tuesday....Hit up your representatives....



http://carter.house.gov/index.cfm?se...40&itemid=1082

Found the bill here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.4088:

[incarcerated]

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/...ews/story/9170
87.html


Fort Hood-type threat probed at Fort Benning

Ben Wright - benw@ledger-enquirer.com
Saturday, Nov. 21, 2009
A suspicious package was found outside a motor pool Thursday morning at Fort Benning with an anonymous note threatening an attack similar to the one at Fort Hood, Texas, the Army Times is reporting.

Elsie Jackson, a public affairs spokeswoman, confirmed that military police found the package on Kelly Hill after officers received a call to its 911 center. Jackson refused to comment on specific details of the package but said it was seized and the area secured.

Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan is accused in the Nov. 5 shooting spree at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead and 29 wounded.

The Army Times said the package with 20 hollow-point bullets and a threatening note were found in the motor pool area under the 197th Training Brigade.

Discovery of the package came on the same day Gen. David Petraeus, commander of the U.S. Central Command, was in Columbus for Fort Benning’s Officer Candidate School graduation of 152 new second lieutenants at the Columbus Convention Center.

Jackson said the discovery of the package was an ongoing investigation but soldiers and families on post are safe. “All appropriate security measures were in place for the safety of soldiers and the community,” she said.

[incarcerated]

This could backfire on them.
With video:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/de...ory?id=9148871

Defense Attorney: Hasan Won't Plead Guilty, May Use Insanity Defense

Retired Col. John Galligan Says Accused Fort Hood Shooter Is Paralyzed From Chest Down and in Severe Pain
By MARK SCHONE
Nov. 22, 2009
The defense attorney for accused his client will probably plead not guilty and that an insanity defense is possible.
"I anticipate that the plea will be not guilty," said defense attorney John Galligan.

Asked if he was considering an insanity plea for his client, who faces 13 counts of premeditated murder, Galligan said, "I'm fairly confident that that's going to have to at least be examined. And that's problematic. But we haven't reached that stage yet."

Galligan said he has also learned that his client, who will be tried in a military court, may face additional charges for the Nov. 5 shooting spree in Fort Hood, Texas. He said he was alerted to the new charges during a pre-trial confinement hearing before a military magistrate held in Hasan's San Antonio hospital room Saturday.

[PedOncoDoc]

I believe there are a few legal studs aronud here to bring up the legal stuff...

IIRC from my experiences in psych and the coronor's office, insanity pleas require the accused to 1)demonstrate delusional thinking that 2)prevents them from realizing that their actions are wrong. Depression, anxiety, etc. have nothing to do with it.

If he is found insane, can anyone who claims to be a practicing Muslim be institutionalized due to insanity?

This will get ugly...