Black militia group wants to arrest Trayvon Martin shooter

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Stargazer

This is where you lose me. If one's words can activate meaning, than how is the following statement true .....

How can it be true of those in leadership positions that have said and acted outrageously? What I have heard and observed as an AMERICAN is unsettling to say the least. Because like you, words have meaning to me....

Stargazer--

The basis of my statement stems from my understanding of black political activity. Political power does not simply flow from the top down nor does it radiate from the center outward. Just because someone issues a press release, or gives a sermon at a church, or holds forth on a talk radio show, or gets on an airplane, clasps hands with bereaved family members, and marches in protest does not mean that person is the HNIC.

And even if many nod their heads in acknowledgement, it does not necessarily indicate fixed agreement. (One of the many reasons I hold the current president is low esteem is because he allows his constituents to believe that he and they are on the same page even though it is patently clear--at least to me--that he doesn't even have a copy of the book.)

I believe the NBPP is inconsequential because it is predicated upon the concept of black nationalism and, from there, pan-African nationalism. These concepts were resuscitated and re-debated during the late 1980s and the early 1990s but they did not take hold.

Moreover, the NBPP lacks intellectual and political legitimacy. It does not have a firm understanding of the issues it purports to address. It does not offer sustainable plans that will have a positive impact on the every day lives of their intended constituents. And it and, to put it concisely, its rank and file members look like kids trying to play dress up.

This is not to say that all talk is cheap or that those making inflammatory and outrageous comments should be given a pass just because they belong to one cohort or another. What I'm saying is that it helps if one has in place the knowledge of how a cohort communicates so that one does not mistake the sizzling spam for a steak.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Dusty

The danger is that the POTUS gets involved in such a manner as to nail down the notion to everyone who hasn't clapped his hands over his eyes that he has taken sides in the racial issue...

Showing a bit of empathy to the plight of the family and towards an on-going issue of national concern (youth shootings), and then letting the legal system run its course amidst all the politically polarized foofarah a situation like this brings about, is "taking sides"...

And...if he had said nothing...

However, I do agree that a major problem here that only tends to make matters perceptually worse is with this POTUS' quixotic "lead by absentia" style.

And so it goes...

Richard

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by tonyz

Maybe the NBPP would seem more consequential if they put out a "hit" on you?

I respectfully request that you check your tone. Or, that you take the time to read carefully my posts before making an attempt to be snarky.

(Or, if you prefer, we can roll around in the mud for a little while. In which case, I'd ask you the following question: If you really are so convinced that the NBPP represents a threat to public safety and the rule of law, precisely what actions have you taken to address the situation?)

I also request that you consider the possibility that there are members of American society who have personally experienced situations in which LEOs have hit the panic button because citizens have put on their asshats instead of their thinking caps. While in my experience and to my knowledge, no bounties were offered, the threat of violence under the color of authority was real enough.*

A number of threads on this BB discuss the expansion of this dynamic and what might be done to counter it. MOO, addressing this dynamic in ways that increase public confidence in the rule of law and inspire more trust in LEOs is the fish to fry -- not the New Bogeyman Party.

YMMV.

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* One such incident went something like this. One prowl car, two prowl cars, a third and a helicopter. Sir, under what authority are you stopping me from going for a walk? [Hands are put on firearms, a GSD growls, an officer quotes a section of the municipal code chapter and verse.] Yes, sir. No, sir. I am reaching into my pocket to take out my wallet, sir. I am reaching into my wallet to take out my ID, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. You too, have a nice evening.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Entire post.

I once saw a bounty situation work in person in real time on the street - it wasn't pretty.

The cohorts did not use the search button, critical thought, or engage in civilized discourse. However, the effect was immediate and undeniable.

I wasn't being snarky I was serious. IMO, the threat to Z by virtue of a bounty is real and not inconsequential. If you were in his shoes it might become more consequential to you, too. It helps if a cohort has in place the experience to know a bounty from a paper towel.

[99meters]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

A number of threads on this BB discuss the expansion of this dynamic and what might be done to counter it. MOO, addressing this dynamic in ways that increase public confidence in the rule of law and inspire more trust in LEOs is the fish to fry -- not the New Bogeyman Party.

YMMV.

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* One such incident went something like this. One prowl car, two prowl cars, a third and a helicopter. Sir, under what authority are you stopping me from going for a walk? [Hands are put on firearms, a GSD growls, an officer quotes a section of the municipal code chapter and verse.] Yes, sir. No, sir. I am reaching into my pocket to take out my wallet, sir. I am reaching into my wallet to take out my ID, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. You too, have a nice evening.

The black community trusting their LEOs should be added to MLK dreams.
At least some are seeing the root of the problem.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

Showing a bit of empathy to the plight of the family and towards an on-going issue of national concern (youth shootings), and then letting the legal system run its course amidst all the politically polarized foofarah a situation like this brings about, is "taking sides"...

And...if he had said nothing...

However, I do agree that a major problem here that only tends to make matters perceptually worse is with this POTUS' quixotic "lead by absentia" style.

And so it goes...

Richard

Whatever. I'm retired. I don't have to train anybody anymore, or win anybody's hearts or minds.

Go blissfully into the future, with the strains of the NPR theme chiming softly background.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Go blissfully into the future, with the strains of the NPR theme chiming softly background.

Actually...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-TVg40ExM

Richard

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Richard

Actually...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-TVg40ExM

Richard

Beautiful sound - I've enjoyed that vid for some time.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

Actually...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-TVg40ExM

Richard

Very cool. I looped it.

(I kinda favor Grandpa Elliott, too.)

[Paslode]

Some people get arrested....

Trayvon Martin: Brevard man arrested for threatening Sanford police chief, cops say
7:51 p.m. EST, March 23, 2012|

By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel


A Melbourne Beach man upset by the Trayvon Martin shooting investigation was arrested Friday, accused of sending a profanity laced, threatening email to Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee Jr.

Seminole County deputies began investigating Thursday, after 68-year-old John Carnduff Stewart sent an 8:23 a.m. email to Lee with the subject line "Coming after you," the Sheriff's Office said.

"You and your family deserve to be hunted down and shot like a dog, just like Trayvon Martin," deputies said Stewart wrote. He called the Sanford Police Department "bigoted" and "unprofessional."

"I have more weapons than your entire police department and I would love to use some of them to take you down," the email says. Stewart ended his message, deputies say, with his home address.

"I dare you to visit my home or send one of your officers and find out exactly how long you or other police officers would last," says the short email, which was released Friday afternoon.

Investigators took Stewart up on his dare Friday morning, searching his home and finding "additional threatening emails" on his computer. He confessed to sending Lee the email, deputies say.

"I know what this is about," Stewart told investigators, according to his arrest report. "I sent the emails, and I wanted to piss them off."

Seminole County officials said Stewart "is known to authorities" for sending similar emails in the past. He was booked into the Brevard County Jail, and later was transferred to Seminole County.

He faces a charge of written threats to kill or do bodily injury, a second-degree felony.

Officials say Stewart was once investigated by Penn State University authorities for threats against Mike McQueary, a former assistant football coach and witness in the PSU sex abuse scandal.

The shooting of Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old, has sparked a national controversy. Many have criticized the investigation of the case, and SPD's decision not to arrest shooter George Zimmerman.

Lee stepped down as Sanford Police Deparment chief temporarily on Thursday, pending the outcome of state and federal investigations of the Feb. 26 shooting death.

jeweiner@tribune.com or 407-420-5171

[ZonieDiver]

* IMO, the Trayvon Martin shooting reminds me a lot of the Edmund Perry shooting of 1985. That is, a sort of good-enough kid (depending upon who you ask) fails to understand the difference between having a bad attitude and being a bad ass and has the misfortune of paying for his misunderstanding with his life.

Thank you for this cogent example. I spent the last couple days speaking to groups of young people - Latino, Black, Native American, Asian, and White about this situation. NOT one class was aware of who the NBPP was, or that it existed... or that the BPP had said, in effect, that they were 'posers'. I also pointed out that it can be hard for some people to denote that they were simply "playing" at being "gangstas" instead of actually BEING "gangstas," which could have severely deleterious effects upon their futures.

On a separate note, I've detected a kind of nasty response to Sigaba's contrarian positiions here. I don't always agree with him, but I think his responses come from his heart and his mind... and I rarely detect a lot of "snark" or nastiness. I'd ask all to cool it a bit. But that's just me.

This situation WILL play out. Cooler heads WILL prevail. Elements of the MSM will be made to look like morons, as usual. The POTUS will be shown to be what he is - an ineffective and ineffectual leader.

And... here in Phoenix, as the temperature climbs, the demonstrations decline - especially those in hoodies.

[alright4u]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Respectfully, then, Sigaba you're wrong. As usual.

How is it "stirring the pot" when we link numerous news reports such as those posted in this thread that report utter racism in the intent of so many?

How many tweets did that dickhead Spike Lee put out? Enough to drive an innocent couple, in terror, out of their homes. That's not enough for you? The fact that Obama hasn't acted regarding the NBPP, New Black Militia, racist twitter account, illegal hoodie-wearing in session, blah-blah? When's it gonna be enough for you-when the fires and lootings start? Do you deny that this Country has endured fires and looting brought on by racist incidents such as OJ and Rodney King?

You're head's in the sand, bro. I'm not telling you to throw a f.cking sheet over your head, I'm giving you a head's up about trouble brewing in the street, and you continue to Poindexter my ass to death.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Sig-Obama didn't unite politicians nor did he unite the races. One of my main points is that he's exacerbated the problem, just as he did during the "cop acted stupidly" comedy.

This is serious, and it's being propagated by the left, and it isn't over.

Did you read the link above which states that the NBPP raised a "dead or alive" reward to 1 meelion dollars? And you're not worried about those assholes?

Please.

Obama has played divide and conquer and pitting one group against the other time after time.

He has pitted this social class after this one many times. Look at the class warfare he encouraged with the rich being the bad guys. Let's look at occupy wall street types that he actively encouraged. The list goes on and on. Hell he was a community agitator trained by a killer named Ayers.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

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On a separate note, I've detected a kind of nasty response to Sigaba's contrarian positiions here. I don't always agree with him, but I think his responses come from his heart and his mind... and I rarely detect a lot of "snark" or nastiness. I'd ask all to cool it a bit. But that's just me.

This situation WILL play out. Cooler heads WILL prevail. Elements of the MSM will be made to look like morons, as usual. The POTUS will be shown to be what he is - an ineffective and ineffectual leader.

Good points, Zonie, and WILCO. I gotta throw out a mea culpa for being hot-headed to Sig, without truly apologizing , but he's put up with my ass for years, so he'll get over it.

I hope you're right about the situation.

I seriously hope you're right.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

Thank you for this cogent example. I spent the last couple days speaking to groups of young people - Latino, Black, Native American, Asian, and White about this situation. NOT one class was aware of who the NBPP was, or that it existed... or that the BPP had said, in effect, that they were 'posers'. I also pointed out that it can be hard for some people to denote that they were simply "playing" at being "gangstas" instead of actually BEING "gangstas," which could have severely deleterious effects upon their futures.

Happy thought of the day, ZD - that ever elusive but always sought after "teachable moment."

Thanks.

Richard

[tonyz]

My apologies to all if my tone was offensive.

Posting the Sanford police report and a respected law professor's analysis of the law of self-defense in Florida should have been enough.

Essentially, my irritation with our current political leadership (or lack thereof) to cool the knuckleheads might gotten been a bit too amped.

This is an excellent forum because of a variety of factors - not the least of which is the management, the mutual respect and the quality of folks involved.

Again, my apologies if I stepped out of line.