01-14-2010, 07:43
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Originally Posted by PSM
You can't be sure that the 9v will be alive when you need it. Even a dead Bic will spark. I cut the sparker off of a Bic and stuffed several petroleum-jelly infused cotton balls wrapped in foil in the base and plugged with duct tape. It's all smaller than a 9v batt.
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Weight and cube.
If it doesn't have at least one other use, it doesn't make this packing list. What else can I use steel wool for?
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01-14-2010, 17:42
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Weight and cube.
If it doesn't have at least one other use, it doesn't make this packing list. What else can I use steel wool for?
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Polishing metal for a signal mirror.
I still prefer a butane lighter, or ten.
TR
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01-14-2010, 17:48
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
The barrel of most rifles is long enough to ensure a complete burn of the powder before the bullet clears the muzzle.
Carbines are an exception. 
I have not tried this, but I expect that a handgun with the powder charge still in the case and a wad (cloth, wax, etc. on top would probably ignite suitable tinder, especially if it contained another load of powder.
In any event, I find a small ferrocerium rod in the accessory side pocket of my Leatherman case much more convenient and reliable.
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Or, combining the two. Ferro rods and gunpowder has got to be fun.
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01-18-2010, 00:01
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Originally Posted by Buck
Appreciated all the info I read in this thread. One firestarter I didn't see was using a standard 9 volt battery, which taking 2 in a small kit, and a nice wad of Steel wool, will produce many fires. Just takes a pinch of steel wool, which you swipe the contacts of the battery across, to produce a fast flame....thoughts? Note though, pack the battery seperate from the steel wool Grasshopper, or your emergency kit will catch fire...lol
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What someone else said about the battery being dead. I bought a magnesium firestarter at a Rendevous many yrs back. Never looked back. Have several now. I bought one of these last summer for the car kit.
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11-05-2010, 13:27
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would a few multi-vitamins be worth the extra space, if your eating nothin' but plants and small animals for two months?
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11-05-2010, 16:21
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No starter
For what they provide with so little weight, it a "No starter"....BarBarian
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11-05-2010, 18:12
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I would not consider it essential. If you reread the initial post, it is supposed to be the minimum to survive. Lack of vitamins should not kill you in less than 60 days.
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11-06-2010, 17:54
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Thank you for answering my question, sirs.
I would take a good fixed blade, at least 5" (though 8-10" would make splitting firewood easier.) A bic lighter, and some 550 cordage.
My skill with snares is lacking, though I believe I could make due with bugs and snakes. Bugs taste like crap, but will keep ya going. Snakes don't taste too bad though.
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11-06-2010, 18:01
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My skill with snares is lacking, though I believe I could make due with bugs and snakes. Bugs taste like crap, but will keep ya going. Snakes don't taste too bad though.
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Tabasco Miniatures 
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11-06-2010, 20:15
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Thank you for answering my question, sirs.
I would take a good fixed blade, at least 5" (though 8-10" would make splitting firewood easier.) A bic lighter, and some 550 cordage.
My skill with snares is lacking, though I believe I could make due with bugs and snakes. Bugs taste like crap, but will keep ya going. Snakes don't taste too bad though.
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Good minimalist answer.
If the area were not likely to have manmade waste lying about, like cans, a container to hold/boil water and cook in would be a huge boon. Heavy duty foil, if nothing else.
If I were going to add pills, while vitamins would be good, antibiotics could actually save your life.
Also, as we mentioned earlier, you can live sixty days without salt, but having some will sure make your life better.
Finally, I would go for a big knife you could chop with, but it sure would be nice to have a multi-tool for the smaller tasks.
Agree on the BIC and the 550 cord.
There are some great tips here. Thanks for revisiting it.
TR
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11-08-2010, 07:19
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There are some great tips here. Thanks for revisiting it.
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Thank you sirs for the privelege.
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11-08-2010, 11:22
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Originally Posted by armymom1228
What someone else said about the battery being dead. I bought a magnesium firestarter at a Rendevous many yrs back. Never looked back. Have several now. I bought one of these last summer for the car kit.
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I second this one...
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11-08-2010, 11:31
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Originally Posted by Barbarian
Thank you for answering my question, sirs.
I would take a good fixed blade, at least 5" (though 8-10" would make splitting firewood easier.) A bic lighter, and some 550 cordage.
My skill with snares is lacking, though I believe I could make due with bugs and snakes. Bugs taste like crap, but will keep ya going. Snakes don't taste too bad though.
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Depends on the snake. I used to live under a bridge when I was younger, moccasins taste like swamp water, as do copper heads but not as bad (IMHO). The turtles reminded me of underdone chicken, but I usually would palm some stuff from a grocery to help with the flavor, either that or hit a McDonalds for slat packets... That is another story though...
Crap just realised that was a double post, sorry about that. Oral surgery today, not thinking real clear..
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Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
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02-22-2011, 12:23
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TR, I saw this picture and thought of you re: earlier in this thread
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07-27-2011, 20:02
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Nalgene Kit
This is a Nalgene Kit I've put together. It is a bit large and weights a few lbs but would be part of my BOB that I am also building. It's pretty large to be part of 2nd Line so I have it part of my 3rd line.
Contents include:
Nalgene Bottle
Mini Compass (on nalgene cap)
Red Photon light (on nalgene cap)
10 feet of heavy duty all weather duct tape wrapped around the bottle
18oz steel cup (boiling water)
Small medical array to include a scalpel blade, various bandaids
30 100mg ibuprofen, 20 benadryl, 10 Clariton, 5 200mg hydrocodene
1 chapstick
1oz tube of neosporin
1 large bic lighter
2x 50ft 12lb fishing line
fishing kit: (2 3ft steel leader, 3 18inch 15lb leader, various swivel and split shot, various J hooks)
Light my fire spark starter
1 heavy duty emergency blanket
1 bottle of water purification tabs
10 fire wicks
1oz Nu-Skin
1 heavy duty commando wire saw
1 spool booby trap wire
1 small tube of super glue
100ft daisy chain 550cord
Things I am thinking about adding: unlubricated condoms for water transport and a small utility tool (I've seen tiny leather-man's 3inchs and smaller)
Thoughts? Comments? Critiques?
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