Black militia group wants to arrest Trayvon Martin shooter

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Dusty

This genius?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...VeS_story.html

Oh BOY! You made my day with that.

[akv]

Originally Posted by Paslode

.....California is a long way from Kansas

Apparently not long enough...

Paslode , while we are agreed the NBPP is a bunch of hate mongering nutjobs, and the MSM is unjustly convicting Mr. Zimmerman before the facts come out, my $.02, between the blanket statements on race, and the Nazi quote on your signature, you are giving off an impression I really don't think you intend.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by akv

Apparently not long enough...

Paslode , while we are agreed the NBPP is a bunch of hate mongering nutjobs, and the MSM is unjustly convicting Mr. Zimmerman before the facts come out, my $.02, between the blanket statements on race, and the Nazi quote on your signature, you are giving off an impression I really don't think you intend.

Same thing I thought about you re: your hometown.

[Richard]

After reading back through this entire thread, I think one could make a strong argument for it supporting Abraham Lincoln's opinion when he said, "I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday."

My suggestion is that we quit buying into and feeding the 'narrative' and await the Grand Jury's verdict on this one.

And so it goes...

Richard

[plato]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

How does one define equality? Is the complex issue of race relations primarily about national electoral politics and the skin color of elected and appointed leaders?

Or is it a matrix of factors--including matters of politics, policy, economics, the interplay of popular historical memory with individual experiences, contingency, and cultural sensibilities--that shapes our discussion of the encounter between Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Martin?

Equality The myth that we will ALL get a date with the Homecoming Queen, grow to 6 ft. 7 in., either all of our Dads will leave or none of them will, that we will each have 5 friends, and will share our home with exactly one brother and two sisters.

Race relations The strain between identifiable groups based upon the mix of responsibility, blame and anger as reinforced or filtered by those that we identify as "like me".

Racial Disparity ( Avg US working couple $102,000/yr single parent $63,500.) If my Dad leaves my Mom and yours doesn't a "disparity" has been created in my income and opportunity. This disparity proves that the Govt. hasn't treated me fairly, that other racial groups aren't very understanding, and that my great-great-great grandfather should have been a tailor.

See how simple?

[bubba]

And..... here in lies the problem.......

See, being that most folks with a QP next to their name at one time or another have spoken at least 2 languages, what we've learned in that arduous process is that words actually have specific meanings.

Equality is based on a math problem. At it's core, the word means that 1 will always equal 1 (1=1).

Fair is based on an abstract concept that human kind has cooked up to replace equal because of some sort of emotional concept.

While on the surface these words are used interchangeable, much like stop and yield seem to be in Colorado, they do in fact have very different meanings.

Fairness is not achievable simply because what is fair to you is not ever going to be fair to me. However, equal, that is always the same.

If you are getting your head kicked in by a 6-2 punk late at night, and you can defend yourself, you have equal protection under the law to defend your life.

End of story, cameras can go home, get back to watching dancing with the stars.

[longrange1947]

Did not see this article posted here. Good read.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/2...ylink=misearch

Something for all to think about.

I am tired of the high profile a**clowns calling for his head though.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by akv

Apparently not long enough...
the Nazi quote on your signature, you are giving off an impression I really don't think you intend.

It must be time to derail Trayvan Martin thread

AKV,

Being a POS doesn't invalidate being correct......and the Nazi's were on the mark on many things like Rockets and Propaganda. Von Braun was a Nazi, Jews were forced to build his masterpieces, but his services were useful so his words are deemed A-OKAY!

“Man is the best computer we can put aboard a spacecraft, and the only one that can be mass produced with unskilled labor”

Despite what most, including myself think of most of the the Nazi's, including Goebbels he made a good point in that remark. You can remove his name and it is still valid point, leave his name in and the words become more sinister.

And I believe his idea crept into the last election with the foggy eyed masses and hasn't left, you are seeing it action as we speak not just in Florida but across the land.

It's community organizing, the Adminstration, The Media, the TSA, The Tea Party, SEIU, NEA, NBPP, Rev. Al, Jesse Jackson, The Occupy Movement, etc...etc....

Goebbels would be proud of their work.


And the question is, come November who's going to control the street?

[Mack27]

While I won't comment on the legality of the shooting, I will wait to reserve opinion on the case until the facts come out in court. While reading all the posts, and other news articles, I came across one in the WSJ by Juan Williams. Now I don't always agree with Juan, but he brings up some good points in his article. While the Martin shooting is a tragedy, the greater tragedy is the hipocrisy or the protest leaders when it comes to the overall picture of black homicide. If they would focus the same effort to have on the protests for Martin, as they should on the black on black crime, maybe we could see a real change in society for the better. Here's the article link

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...183789698.html


Mack

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Mack27

While I won't comment on the legality of the shooting, I will wait to reserve opinion on the case until the facts come out in court. While reading all the posts, and other news articles, I came across one in the WSJ by Juan Williams. Now I don't always agree with Juan, but he brings up some good points in his article. While the Martin shooting is a tragedy, the greater tragedy is the hipocrisy or the protest leaders when it comes to the overall picture of black homicide. If they would focus the same effort to have on the protests for Martin, as they should on the black on black crime, maybe we could see a real change in society for the better. Here's the article link

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...183789698.html


Mack

That's because even Juan can sense it's gonna turn out like Duke. Otherwise, he'd be leading the chorus against Z.

[tonyz]

Some musings from an acknowledged expert - excerpt and link to complete article that is worth a read - also link to Sanford, FL police report.

Florida’s Self-Defense Laws
David Kopel • March 27, 2012 11:59 pm

Media coverage of Florida’s self-defense laws in recent weeks has often been very inaccurate. While some persons, particularly from the gun prohibition lobbies, have claimed that the Martin/Zimmerman case shows the danger of Florida’s “Stand your ground” law, that law is legally irrelevant to case. So let’s take a look at what the Florida laws actually say...

In sum: there is not a shred of support for the claim that Florida law protects, or has protected Zimmerman, if he unlawfully attacked Martin. If Zimmerman’s story is true (Martin attacked him, putting him in imminent peril of grave bodily injury, with no opportunity to retreat), then Zimmerman’s self-defense claim would be valid under the laws of Florida, New York, or any other Anglo-American jurisdiction. The particular legal changes resulting from Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” and “Castle Doctrine” laws (deadly force in the home/automobile; no duty to retreat in public places; Fourth Amendment arrest standard affirmation; protection from civil suits) simply have nothing to do with whether Zimmerman’s actions were or were not lawful.

http://volokh.com/2012/03/27/florida...-defense-laws/

Link to partial Sanford, FL police report below:

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigati...l%20Report.pdf

[Iraqgunz]

One thing that pisses me off are all the calls to arrest him until the investigation is done. I realize that in some places this may be the "norm" but I know for a fact that in AZ there have been several self defense shootings in the last 2 years and in every case the shooter was allowed to walk because the investigation concluded that the person acted within the law.

In this case it would seem as if the police looked at the evidence and concluded that his actions were justifiable and it wasn't until people started screaming racism that they decided to dig deeper.

[Destrier]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/georg...lance-16024475

Link to vid arriving at police station.

Hard to see wounds with the ABC logo and he would have apparently at this time have already seen the EMT at the scene, but one Police officer looks very intently at the back of zimmerman's head.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Yes, I offered a different interpretation which was entirely applicable to the context.

I do not agree that drawing a straight line from Detroit in the 1960s to Sanford, Florida in 2012 to prove a point, and then offering an interpretation that annihilates the connection is a historically sustainable argument.

MOO, either history matters or it doesn't. The political right rests the legitimacy of its vision for America on the history of this country. Whenever that history is used selectively and certain chapters and interpretations are dismissed, the political right undermines its intellectual credibility.

Originally Posted by Dusty

Equality is defined in this instance as blacks having access to the same rights and opportunities as whites. Show me one contemporary instance where this isn't true.

The question remains: where does the past end and the present begin? (And do race relations in America just mean black and white?)

As for your request for an example, I would refer you to the changes in the timetables and the routes of the LAMTA's bus lines since 2009 <<LINK>>.

Originally Posted by Dusty

Answer this honestly: You think the National leadership would get involved if I set up a New White Militia, posting a $10K reward for the capture of any of these perpetrators of this crime?

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/news/lo...ewsom-murders/

Honestly, there are too many hypothetical/what ifs in this particular thread, if not in American political discourse more generally. There are plenty of actual issues to address in the here and now without resorting to the history of what might happen if John Doe did X, Y, or Z.

IMO, rank and file Americans (i.e. those of us in the peanut gallery) need to decide for themselves what outcome they want in 2012 and 2014 and 2016 and give some thought about working towards those goals. Do people want to rehash already well-worn arguments? Do individuals want to have yet another conversation with people who already agree with them?

Or do they want to reach across the aisle and start building coalitions to address issues that impact the every day lives of diverse groups of people? (IIRC, the framework for such cooperation was laid out on 22 November 1787.)

My $0.02.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Paslode

Entire post.

Bluntly, arguing that the "Nazis were on the mark" about anything requires a profound misunderstanding of the goals and methods of the Nazi dictatorship as well as the concept of grand strategy--if not also a remarkable misreading of a substantial body of historiography.

FYI, the goal of the Nazis was not simply to establish control of all aspects of life in Germany but to exert mastery over all of Europe, to destroy the British Empire, to displace and to slaughter tens of millions of central and eastern Europeans, and to defeat the United States decisively in a general war.

Given the end result of the Second World War and the subsequent pillaging and division of Germany, it is difficult to see how one could make a historically credible argument that the Nazis got anything right.