Fort Hood Shooting

[kimberly]

Originally Posted by P36

I disagree with your assertion. What do you expect him to say...go out and roundup the Muslims in the Army? Where do you see him say the Major is a nice guy who deserves the benefit of the doubt? I watched his press conference and heard him condemn what this "officer" did.

Disagree, I don't mind, but the POTUS seems to be ignoring the fact this guy is a muslim terrorist.

I watched his press conference as well, and what I saw was someone very involved with himself and, having had a great time in a conference earlier spent an inordinate amount of time thanking people from said conference and saying hello to his friends BEFORE HE EVEN GOT TO THE SUBJECT OF THE TERRORIST SHOOTING UP FT HOOD AND EVERYBODY IN IT.

Apparently you didn't read the article I posted.

[Big Daddy]

I find it interesting that President Bush and his wife Laura went to the hospital yesterday to visit the wounded soldiers. God bless him for doing that. Now, I wonder if obama has been there yet.

[akv]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

I find it interesting that President Bush and his wife Laura went to the hospital yesterday to visit the wounded soldiers. God bless him for doing that. Now, I wonder if obama has been there yet.

No surprise here. President Bush and his wife Laura are both patriotic Americans who care for our troops. I think history will treat him with higher regard than his successor.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by kimberly

Disagree, I don't mind, but the POTUS seems to be ignoring the fact this guy is a muslim terrorist.

I watched his press conference as well, and what I saw was someone very involved with himself and, having had a great time in a conference earlier spent an inordinate amount of time thanking people from said conference and saying hello to his friends BEFORE HE EVEN GOT TO THE SUBJECT OF THE TERRORIST SHOOTING UP FT HOOD AND EVERYBODY IN IT.

Apparently you didn't read the article I posted.

2 minutes of shuck and jive, and then a short intermission where he mentioned the tragedy and it has continued down hill from there.....I just don't get the feeling of sincerity when he speaks, it is more about Lights, Action, Camera imo.

Originally Posted by akv

No surprise here. President Bush and his wife Laura are both patriotic Americans who care for our troops. I think history will treat him with higher regard than his successor.

Obama will be known as a non-stop advertisement of self-endorsement.

[LarryW]

Obama will be known as a non-stop advertisement of self-endorsement.

I couldn't agree more. The guy's a parade of One!

[alelks]

The Bushes visited and didn't do it for publicity.

Now this is what I call class and true caring.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...-hood-victims/

Originally Posted by LarryW

I couldn't agree more. The guy's a parade of One!

Maybe he could pass an SFAS event for "political election", (e.g., speak, answer questions, show sympathy, concern for others, follow through, etc.). Better yet, be peered by his fellow students, and assessed by cadre.

To say, "Mr. President, your ruck sack is in the hall", would be a compliment.

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by alelks

The Bushes visited and didn't do it for publicity.

Now this is what I call class and true caring.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...-hood-victims/

They are true Patriots and caring Americans. They have been doing this a long time and that shows how real they really are. He is not perfect but I would defend him any day any time. His wife is also a class act and one of the most sincere people I have have the privilege to meet.

I thank them both for their past service and their continued support of our service members.

[kimberly]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

I think he should call a spade a spade and declare that this guy was a murderer and a terrorist.

Where are the hate crime charges, BTW?

TR

Because they're afraid of being politically incorrect.

Originally Posted by wet dog

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To say, "Mr. President, your ruck sack is in the hall", would be a compliment.

Wouldn't it be nice if it was that easy?

Originally Posted by P36

I disagree with your assertion. What do you expect him to say...go out and roundup the Muslims in the Army? Where do you see him say the Major is a nice guy who deserves the benefit of the doubt? I watched his press conference and heard him condemn what this "officer" did.

Let me help you out a bit:
"Official: Timing of Hasan's gun purchase shows "Of course, he planned this."
Michael Isikoff
Just three weeks after being transferred to the U.S. Army base at Fort Hood, Texas, Maj. Nidal Hasan walked into the "Guns Galore" gunship in Killeen, Texas and purchased the high powered semi-automatic pistol that he allegedly used in the mass shooting at the base on Thursday, a senior law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told Declassified.
The timing of the purchase of the Belgian made FN Herstal 5.7 pistol -- a growing weapon of choice of Mexican drug cartels -- is being viewed by some investigators as a potentially important clue suggesting that Hasan may have been plotting the attack for some time.

Hasan bought the gun on Aug. 1 of this year, said the law enforcement official, who asked that his name and agency not be identified because of the ongoing investigation. (Although Hasan's purchase of the gun was reported Friday by ABC and other news organizations, the date of the purchase has not previously been disclosed. A second federal law enforcement official confirmed the Aug. 1 date to Declassified on Saturday.)

At the same time, Hasan also bought several high capacity 20 round magazines that allowed him to rapidly fire off multiple rounds during the attack without reloading, the official said.

"Why do you go out and buy a pistol with several magazines?" said the law enforcement official. "Of course, he planned this." The official added, "Nobody wants to say that," referring to the authorities' reluctance to refer to the shooting as a pre-meditated attack.

Hasan ended up using the Herstal semi-automatic and another handgun to fire off as many as 100 rounds during the Thursday attack that killed 13 people at the base and wound 38.

What is especially intriguing about the date of the purchase is that on July 7, according to Hassan's official Army records posted on Declassified on Friday, he was transferred from Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington D.C. to the Darnall Army Medical Center in Fort Hood.

The transfer -- and the gun purchase -- also came while Hasan may have been undergoing a period of increasing alienation from the U.S. and expressing sympathy for Muslim militants. An Internet posting written by someone with the screen name of "NidalHasan" compared Islamic suicide bombers to Japanese kamikaze pilots.

"To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate," the posting read referring a recent attack on American soldiers. "It's more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. You can call them crazy [if] you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam." (FBI officials say they have not yet confirmed that the Hasan who is the suspect in the Fort Hood shooting is the same individual who posted the writing on the Internet.)

To some in law enforcement - including the one who spoke to Newsweek -- the purchase of the high-powered gun, the Internet writing and Hasan's alleged shouting of "Allah U Akbar" (Arabic for "God is Great") during the attack - suggest that the Fort Hood shooting should be viewed more as a terrorist act by a "lone wolf" Muslim extremist than as the work of a troubled physician who "snapped" under pressure.

But FBI and Justice Department officials are reluctant-at this stage in the investigation-to reach any conclusions, at least officially. "We just don't know enough at this stage," a FBI spokesman said Friday night. "

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/decla...nned-this.aspx

[Snaquebite]

Originally Posted by alelks

The Bushes visited and didn't do it for publicity.

Now this is what I call class and true caring.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...-hood-victims/

GW went to Fort Hood and BO went golfing - that should be clear enough for anyone.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by wet dog

To say, "Mr. President, your ruck sack is in the hall", would be a compliment.

Our next opportunity is 6 Nov 2012.

TR

[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

The left is going to paint this a$$-ho as a one-off psycho with PTSD and completely bury that notion that he is a Jihadist Terrorist.

The following is one of many articles I have read that attempt to find an explanation for the shooting, other than Jihad. According to this writer, it could have been compassion fatigue.

'Compassion fatigue' can affect mental health professionals
Helpers often take others' trauma home.

By Andrea Ball
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Sunday, November 08, 2009

Eleven years ago, Jim Madden woke up in Puerto Rico with a start, the bad dream still fresh in his mind.

A battered shack. A shirtless, dark-haired teen lying on the floor in bare feet.

"Nothing was happening in the dream," said Madden, now 77. "I just saw him, and I had a lot of unpleasant feelings."

The Waco psychologist had that dream while volunteering with the American Red Cross for relief efforts after Hurricane Georges. He'd met that boy. He'd been in that shack. And, obviously, the trip had shaken him.

In the aftermath of Thursday's shooting spree at Fort Hood, as the focus continues to swirl around the suspect, U.S. Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan, mental health advocates are buzzing about the risks of their profession: secondary trauma and compassion fatigue.

Hasan — who is accused of killing 13 people and wounding 30 — required counseling and extra supervision while an intern at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington because he had trouble dealing with some patients, according to an Associated Press story. Some reports have suggested that he may have been traumatized from hearing the terrible things that have happened to the people he counseled.

Whether it happened to Hasan, secondary trauma is a harsh reality for mental health professionals, said Sandra Lopez, a clinical associate professor at the University of Houston.

According to a 2007 study published by the National Association of Social Workers, 40.5 percent of 282 social workers surveyed said they had found themselves unintentionally thinking about their work with traumatized clients.

More than 19 percent said they had experienced psychological distress when reminded of those clients; 12.4 percent had had a physiological reaction.

That same study showed that 15.2 percent met the criteria for post-traumatic stress disorder with disturbing dreams, sleep problems and attempts to avoid clients.

"It's like a Kodak moment," Lopez said. "We carry these digital pictures in our heads that people share with us."

Lopez says she has struggled with trauma. In the early 1990s, after years of facilitating a support group for people whose loved ones had committed suicide, her work started interrupting her life, she said. Unrelated events, sights or sounds would remind her of the stories she had heard. Her heart would race. Anxiety would wash over her.

She also noticed that she was distancing herself from her clients.

"I was not as compassionate," Lopez said. "There was a part of me that couldn't hear one more story."

Many professionals don't talk about their stress because they're embarrassed or ashamed, said Chris McCarthy, a professor at the department of educational psychology at the University of Texas. Instead, some people quit the profession. Others try to cope with drugs or alcohol.

"Part of your job is to help other people, and it becomes hard to admit that has become difficult," he said.

Experts recommend the typical salves for such stress: hobbies, activities, support systems. But it's also important that they look at the deeper issues — such as their history and experiences — that make them susceptible to the trauma, Lopez said.

"We're human first," she said. "You can put on the garb or guise of your profession, but we're human first."

After 13 years of volunteering with the Red Cross, Madden — who is counseling volunteers and others associated with the Fort Hood shootings — has learned the signs of emotional burnout. He tries to sleep, take breaks and eats regularly. He also focuses on the little victories, such as the time he helped track down a Bible for a woman who had lost hers in Hurricane Katrina.

"Sometimes, it's just remarkable how little it takes to help somebody," he said.

aball@statesman.com; 912-2506

Editor's Note: We have disabled commenting on this story because of repeated abuse of our commenting policy related to the Ft. Hood shooting.

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[Richard]

MOO -

MAJ Hasan was obviously a disturbingly conflicted person who failed to achieve a rationally acceptable balance in his personal loyalties and beliefs.

MAJ Hasan 'slipped through the cracks' of a system which should have been able to recognize the nature of his personal conflict and acted to prevent this tragedy - that it did not do so should be of concern to us all.

MAJ Hasan is a murderer.

MAJ Hasan should be buried in the Potter's field with the Nazi saboteurs from WW2.

Richard

[P36]

Originally Posted by kimberly

Because they're afraid of being politically incorrect.


Wouldn't it be nice if it was that easy?


Let me help you out a bit:
"Official: Timing of Hasan's gun purchase shows "Of course, he planned this."
Michael Isikoff
Just three weeks after being transferred to the U.S. Army base at Fort Hood, Texas, Maj. Nidal Hasan walked into the "Guns Galore" gunship in Killeen, Texas and purchased the high powered semi-automatic pistol that he allegedly used in the mass shooting at the base on Thursday, a senior law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told Declassified.
The timing of the purchase of the Belgian made FN Herstal 5.7 pistol -- a growing weapon of choice of Mexican drug cartels -- is being viewed by some investigators as a potentially important clue suggesting that Hasan may have been plotting the attack for some time.

Hasan bought the gun on Aug. 1 of this year, said the law enforcement official, who asked that his name and agency not be identified because of the ongoing investigation. (Although Hasan's purchase of the gun was reported Friday by ABC and other news organizations, the date of the purchase has not previously been disclosed. A second federal law enforcement official confirmed the Aug. 1 date to Declassified on Saturday.)

At the same time, Hasan also bought several high capacity 20 round magazines that allowed him to rapidly fire off multiple rounds during the attack without reloading, the official said.

"Why do you go out and buy a pistol with several magazines?" said the law enforcement official. "Of course, he planned this." The official added, "Nobody wants to say that," referring to the authorities' reluctance to refer to the shooting as a pre-meditated attack.

Hasan ended up using the Herstal semi-automatic and another handgun to fire off as many as 100 rounds during the Thursday attack that killed 13 people at the base and wound 38.

What is especially intriguing about the date of the purchase is that on July 7, according to Hassan's official Army records posted on Declassified on Friday, he was transferred from Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington D.C. to the Darnall Army Medical Center in Fort Hood.

The transfer -- and the gun purchase -- also came while Hasan may have been undergoing a period of increasing alienation from the U.S. and expressing sympathy for Muslim militants. An Internet posting written by someone with the screen name of "NidalHasan" compared Islamic suicide bombers to Japanese kamikaze pilots.

"To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate," the posting read referring a recent attack on American soldiers. "It's more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. You can call them crazy [if] you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam." (FBI officials say they have not yet confirmed that the Hasan who is the suspect in the Fort Hood shooting is the same individual who posted the writing on the Internet.)

To some in law enforcement - including the one who spoke to Newsweek -- the purchase of the high-powered gun, the Internet writing and Hasan's alleged shouting of "Allah U Akbar" (Arabic for "God is Great") during the attack - suggest that the Fort Hood shooting should be viewed more as a terrorist act by a "lone wolf" Muslim extremist than as the work of a troubled physician who "snapped" under pressure.

But FBI and Justice Department officials are reluctant-at this stage in the investigation-to reach any conclusions, at least officially. "We just don't know enough at this stage," a FBI spokesman said Friday night. "

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/decla...nned-this.aspx

PM inbound. Perhaps it will help you to understand my perspective

[kimberly]

Originally Posted by P36

PM inbound. Perhaps it will help you to understand my perspective

My apologies to P36.

It seems the more that is uncovered, the more it is likely the offending shooter planned and executed. Taking into consideration what is being uncovered, it is simple reasoning that he shot 43 people with his religion in mind, whether it was because he didn't want to be deployed on behalf of our country to work against those who believe similarly as he, or other reasons. My opinion.