NYC Ground Zero Mosque

[Penn]

This gross over simplification attempts to trivializes the positions of the actors, by comparison to “West Side Story”? Surly you jest, but OK; now that we have succumbed to threats of retaliation, I guess we’ll need O’Leary and McGarry to find a resolution for Power Sharing in deeply divided places, like Manhattan.

Appeasement is no answer to overt or veiled threats. The reasoning is what? That the radical islamist will react violently if the muskox is forced to moved, due to the override consideration that its within the zone of a grave yard/crime site where thousands of families are left without closure. It will recruit more suicide bombers? Theres going to be a negative reaction? There will be anyway?

You empower them by succumbing to their manipulation of constitutional guarantees, our open society is offensive to their cultural traditions.

A recent example; On 22st in NYC the muslims decided to open a unauthorized, non permit, illegal pray room/store front muskox. This has been the result: The city refused, by not enforcing the law, to close the place for non code compliance, has resulted in the street being impassable at various times due to empty cabs left in the middle of the street. The bar across the street-operating in their location for 20+ years was “Forced” to cover a very valuable Manhattan asset, its window, as the sight line of the bar offended these POS.

The more seemingly legal battles they win, through the lack of confrontation, the more embolden they are becoming.

Tick, Tick, Tick

[TraininDummy]

Gentlemen,
I was walking through my old student union at the University of Oklahoma the other day with my wife and saw a flyer for an Islamic Panel Discussion that will be held at OU later this month. It's titled "My America, My Islam: Muslims talk about Islam in America and the New York Islamic Center Controversy" the web address for the discussion is
http://newsok.com/my-america-my-isla...rticle/3495191
The panel will be held on September 21, 2010 at 7:00pm at the Regents Room, Oklahoma Memorial Union.

The flyer posted there will be three members on the discussion panel. I have gladly done some research on each of them.

1. Mona Eltahawy who is described as an award winning columnist, who is frequently published in the Washington Post and speaks around the world on Islamic Issues. You can visit her blog at www.monaeltahawy.com
She claims to be a moderate who only got involved in the NYC mosque debate only because of the constitutionality of the issue in a CNN video here: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/vi...eisal.cnn.html

She also commented on the racial bigotry of the 9/11 rally this year: "I will not surrender that comfort as birds of a feather plan to flock to NYC for a hatefest to mark the ninth anniversary of 9/11. The right-wing group “Stop Islamization of America” will be hosting a rally against the proposed Islamic Community Center in Lower Manhattan. Attending will be a who’s who of bigots – former speaker of the US House of Representatives Newt Gingrich, former US ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, publisher Andrew Breitbart, and, most notoriously, the far-right Dutch parliamentarian Geert Wilders, who has called my religion “the ideology of a retarded culture.” The rest of the entry can be found here: http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=308

2. Mohammad Daadaoui is described as an Assistant Professor of Political Science and Middle East Studies at Oklahoma City University. In 2009, Mohammad and OCU hosted in first "Islam Day" on campus. He invited members of CAIR to come to campus and talk to students about "the religion of peace." A section of the article states "Daadaoui organized lectures and interfaith panel discussions with community leaders including Razi Hashmi of the Oklahoma Council on American-Islamic Relations; Imad Enchassi, Imam of the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City and Rabbi Abbey Jacobson of the Emanuel Synagogue in Oklahoma City. OCU religion professors John Starks and Dann May will also speak." Full article can be found here: http://www.edmondsun.com/features/x4...ation-of-iFast

3. Malaka Elyazgi is described as the Chair of the Ethnic American Advisory Council to Governor Brad Henry, OK. She is a leader of the Muslim community in Oklahoma. I found an article that states "Malaka A. Elyazgi's husband Mohamed was quoted as a spokesman for the mosque in Norman following the October 1, 2005, suicide bombing on the OU campus. He was a business partner in a small shop in Oklahoma City with Mufid Abdulqader, who was indicted as a fundraiser for the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas, of which Abdulqader's half-brother is the supreme political leader." Full article can be found here: http://www.batesline.com/archives/20...re-only-o.html

I have known that OU has had a strong influence from the Muslim community for quite some time. OU's petroleum engineering and energy management programs are some of the best in the nation. That is one reason why so many Saudis, Syrians, Jordanian, etc attend the university. It is also known that one of the 9/11 hijackers trained in aviation at OU. I do not expect any of these "speakers" to be moderate, to say the least. It is my speculation that this is a potential act of subversion against our nation's youth to plant false impressions in the minds of American students who will one day become prominent members of American society.

[Pete]

Originally Posted by TraininDummy

........She also commented on the racial bigotry of the 9/11 rally this year: "I will not surrender that comfort as birds of a feather plan to flock to NYC for a hatefest to mark the ninth anniversary of 9/11. The right-wing group “Stop Islamization of America” will be hosting a rally against the proposed Islamic Community Center in Lower Manhattan................

Maybe someone can ask her why there are no churches in Mecca.

We all know why - just want to know if she'll admit it.

[Richard]

Maybe someone can ask her why there are no churches in Mecca.

Has there ever been a Christian church in Mecca?

Richard

[The Reaper]

Oh, the First Amendment only applies to them. Anyone who disagrees is practicing hate speech, no matter if it is true or not.

I swear we would have given Goebbels and Tojo their own press corps and network in the US during WWII to comply with their version of fairness.

TR

[akv]

Originally Posted by TraininDummy

It is also known that one of the 9/11 hijackers trained in aviation at OU. I do not expect any of these "speakers" to be moderate, to say the least. It is my speculation that this is a potential act of subversion against our nation's youth to plant false impressions in the minds of American students who will one day become prominent members of American society.

Having read through the links provided, I'm left scratching my head at your conclusions. Speculations of subversion are a powerful statement, and can quickly lead to credibility judgements if unfounded. Oliver Stone has made a pretty penny off of conspiracy theories, how many organizations are competent enough to pull of such an act of subversion, and while OU seems just a fine school, why target Oklahoma? Discounting the opinions of Longhorns fans, is Oklahoma the flagship university of the Americas and a proportionate incubator for future American leaders?

You mention three examples of speakers.

1) Mona Eltahawy. Having read through her blog IMHO she is whiny, self centered and focused more on slights to domestic Muslims, without contemplating the pain felt by NY'ers on 9/11. She is quick on the draw with the word "bigot". Yet what is so subversive about her message, she is in NY willing to talk these issues out sharing her perspective with anyone, denounces violence, and is proud to be an American. I think she is annoying ( though if she wanted to hug me too, I'd let her) and about as dangerous as diet soda.

2) Mr. Daadaoui's Islam Day on campus states it's goals as raising cultural awareness of Islamic stereotypes on campus and raising money for a local food bank. While the latter goal is commendable. I wouldn't attend since among the the invited is CAIR, but how is this any different from any "group day" or other special interest group on campus? Is it so enthralling that college kids will simply drop everything to stop and talk about Muslim stereotypes? It sounds about as interesting as watching grass grow, even if they did serve free shawarmas.

3) Malaka Elazgi is a grandmother and the chair of the Governor of Oklahoma's Ethnic Advisory council having lived in Tulsa for 40 years. Of the three, she seems the least credible due to her husbands business dealings. Someone should tell the ever vigilant Mr. Bates that Sandra Kaye Rana's surname is a Hindu name, and if he has issues with the composition of the Governors council, maybe he should take it up with Governor Henry?

Other than an example of the usual garden variety liberal academic special interests activism evident across US campuses, how is this an act of subversion? What is the specific dangerous message to American youth here?

[Wiseman]

The presenter will just counter with, that Saudi Arabia is another country with it's own set of laws. It does not allow for other religions to practice openly (will have to check this). They will also say that this is the United States and that we should not suspend the 1st amendment just because Saudia Arabia does not have one in their constitution. I mean pointing that out will not cause Saudia Arabian govt to suddenly allow for the building of churches, buddhist temples, and synagogues in Mecca. Saudia Arabia will not care for these discrepancies.

I believe the only way to persuade the Imam to move the mosque is to make him understand the victims of 9/11 point of view.

[Gypsy]

Originally Posted by Wiseman

I believe the only way to persuade the Imam to move the mosque is to make him understand the victims of 9/11 point of view.

Oh, something tells me he doesn't care about the victims families POV. At all.

[Wiseman]

I don't know if he ever made a blatant statement like that on internet newspapers or even television.

Originally, this whole mosque was planned because the building that they were using is currently to capacity and they need more room. He may or may not care but you can't decide what he thinks just from what you assume. You can maybe infer from his actions but from his point of view, he is trying to get a bigger place to worship.

I think in order to foster their effort in showing that they are trying to bring a message of peace, they should reserve space in this community center for worship by Christians, Jews, Buddhist, Sikhs, and other religions I may have omitted. By doing this, they will show that they seperate themselves from the radicals whose ideology did not include tolerance that led to the murder of 3000 people.

[ZonieDiver]

I think in order to foster their effort in showing that they are trying to bring a message of piece, they should reserve space in this community center for worship by Christians, Jews, Buddhist, Sikhs, and other religions I may have omitted. By doing this, they will show that they seperate themselves from the radicals whose ideology did not include tolerance that led to the murder of 3000 people.

I would obey the #1 Rule of SCUBA Diving, and NOT hold my breath waiting for that particular "message of piece"!

Besides, it seems the guy is a "slum lord"!
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/09/...am-a-slumlord/

[SF-TX]

Originally Posted by TraininDummy

It is also known that one of the 9/11 hijackers trained in aviation at OU.

Potential hijacker, Zacarias Moussaoui. Oklahoma University is also where Joel Henry Hinrichs III blew himself up with a backpack IED outside the stadium during an OU-Kansas football game.

[Wiseman]

Bed bugs have been on the rise throughout NYC as well. However, the lack of responding to tenant requests is not excusable.

[T-Rock]

Has there ever been a Christian church in Mecca?

There’s ample history of fourteen kings and queens who ruled in northern Arabia and a large body of evidence that shows Mecca did not exist before the advent of Christianity, so much for Ismail’s Ax

Archaeological evidence also shows that Baca is not Mecca, and that Baca was by the bank of the Mediterranean Sea roughly 15-20 miles north of Nazareth and roughly 20 miles North West of the Sea of Galilee.

The ancient cities and kingdoms of Arabia are rich in histories and archaeological information pointing to Hubal being the moon god of the Kaba…

http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Light-Hi.../dp/0976502402

[Richard]

http://www.sacredsites.com/middle_ea...bia/mecca.html

Richard

[Ret10Echo]

Perception -

But even if he doesn’t, there is no doubt that many in the Muslim world will regard the construction of a mosque at Ground Zero as a tribute to Islamic victory over “infidel” America. Islamist leaders worldwide will employ the symbolism of a mosque at Ground Zero as a recruiting tool to jihad, swelling their ranks and escalating the threat against America.

Article is here


I don't think we "get it" as a culture.