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Old 11-06-2009, 18:16   #181
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Funny, did he follow his own advice with his comments on Professor Gates, or did he immediately leap to a wrong conclusion without the facts and make a biased statement?

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Old 11-06-2009, 18:25   #182
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Funny, did he follow his own advice with his comments on Professor Gates, or did he immediately leap to a wrong conclusion without the facts and make a biased statement?
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Maybe the president is actually learning from his mistakes.
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Old 11-06-2009, 18:51   #183
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My apologies for not posting sooner. I have been moving from up north home to Florida.

My heart, my prayers, my love go to the fallen, the wounded, the families that will sit beside a bed waiting for a loved one to recuperate. Those families that will bury a loved one. As the mom of a soldier, my heart breaks for the mothers of the victims.

I have quit listening to the drivel that spews from the POTUS's mouth for sometime now. I Have better things to do with my time than get my blood pressure up, or debate his latest inane remark. I respect the office, but not the current chairholder.

I pray that the shooter shall live. That he spends a very long time in Leavenworth. I don't really care what he said...it could have been 'spongepants bob is a fag" for all I care. He doesn't deserve a breath of my time. Cowards like him make my stomach turn.

I have never met a shrink that was not a few fries short a happy meal. This one apparently, is no different.

I have, at the moment access to a very nice airboat. I would be delighted to take this shooter on a very nice boat ride into the Glades. I would come back alone.
If the gators and snakes did not get him, then the sawgrass should do that trick. If that does not work, I can garuntee that a few of my Miccosukee freinds will do the deed and save the US from the costs of prosecution.

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Prayers out to the families of the fallen, and for a slow death to the person who committed this heinous act. Hopefully his awaiting virgins are large men named bubba.
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Old 11-06-2009, 20:20   #185
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President Obama is a disgrace and our men and women in uniform deserve a better CINC, one who actually cares about them. I hope that the people who voted for him are proud of his actions.TR
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Very well said, IMHO!

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Old 11-06-2009, 22:36   #186
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She was, perhaps, the last person Hasan shot.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblog...an_identif.asp


Officer Who Shot Hasan Identified, In Stable Condition

Her name is Kimberly Munley:
Army officials say the suspect, "the lone shooter" for this tragic incident, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, is currently on a ventilator at a nearby civilian hospital and the police officer who gunned him down, Kimberly Munley, a civilian Fort Hood police officer, is in stable condition.

She's a civilian officer:

Munley, who had been trained in active-response tactics, rushed into the building and confronted the shooter as he was turning a corner, Cone said.

"It was an amazing and an aggressive performance by this police officer," Cone said.

Munley was only a few feet from crazed Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan when she opened fire.

Wounded in the exchange of gunfire, Munley was reported in stable condition at a local hospital...

Cone said Munley's aggressive response training taught her that "if you act aggressively to take out a shooter you will have less fatalities."

"She walked up and engaged him," he said. He praised her as "one of our most impressive young police officers."

She's apparently conscious, and spent the night calling fellow officers to let them know her condition, and checking up on the other wounded.

All of the other wounded are in stable condition, which is far better news than I expected, with so many wounded.

Posted by Mary Katharine Ham on November 6, 2009 10:02 AM
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Old 11-07-2009, 07:48   #187
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I wanted to put this in its own thread, but perhaps this will get more widelly read.

THIS, THIS IS WHY we have the greatest army on the planet. This selfless act, by a soldier is WHY I am so proud my own child is a soldier. I know that he and his brethern will be as safe as they can be and .... well...just read this article this morning.. our guys (&girls) are simply put, THE BEST.

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FORT HOOD — Unlike many, maybe even most of the soldiers on this enormous military post, privates first class Marquest Smith and Jeffrey Pearsall had never seen combat before Thursday.
But the pair of 21-year-olds emerged from the tragic shootings of 43 soldiers and civilians here as bonafide combat heros.

Smith, of Fort Worth, possibly saved the lives of five soldiers and a civilian Fort Hood employee while repeatedly running back into the building where 39-year-old Army psychologist Maj. NidalMalik Hasan began a shooting spree that resulted in the deaths of 13 people.

Pearsall, of Houston, turned his five-year-old Ford F150 pickup into a makeshift ambulance and hauled five or six wounded soldier to the hospital, at least one of whom, he was told later by medical staff at Darnall Army Medical Center on the post, likely would not have survived had Pearsall not gotten him to the hospital so quickly.

"There's not just one or two heros in this, there's a whole bunch of heros," Pearsall said, referring to soldiers and civilian Department of the Army police officers who responded to the shootings and their bloody aftermath. Caring for wounded soldier amid chaos "is a job we're trained to do on the battlefield, and now it's a job, obviously we have to do here in the United States too."

Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey told reporters at a news conference here Friday afternoon that after visiting with Fort Hood's leaders, crime scene investigators and some of those who at the scene on Thursday, that the shootings were a "kick in the gut, not just for the Fort Hood community, but for the entire Army."

But Casey went on to tell how he'd heard stories of Army medics attending an on-post college graduation in the building next to where the shootings occurred "running to the sound of guns," of soldiers carrying the wounded to cover while Hasan was still on his rampage, and "of soldiers who were wounded while caring for other soldiers."

Neither Smith nor Pearsall were hurt in the shootings, at least not physically. But Smith narrowily avoided being shot several times.

When the first shots were fired inside the post's Soldier Readiness Center — a former sports-themed restaurant and bar converted into a paperwork processing center for soldiers leaving for or returning from war — Smith was sitting in a cubicle with a civilian employee going through his paperwork.

"We heard popping but we didn't know what it was so we just kept talking about my paperwork," said Smith. "Then we heard people running and somebody yelled 'gun!' "

Smith quickly closed the cubicle's sliding door and then hid with a civilian employee, a woman, under her desk. After hiding for a couple of minutes, a stray bullet penetrated the cubicle wall and went through the chair Smith had drawn up close to the desk for protection. The bullet apparently deflected downward, toward Smith's feet, where it lodged in the heel of his right boot. The civilian employee survived untouched.

When he let up for minute, Smith made a dash for a side door. "There were a couple of soldiers near the door, one was a major, and I pulled them outside," Smith said, "I don't know if they were wounded or not."

Then he went back inside, found two wounded soldiers and pulled them outside before going back in once again. But upon his second return into the building Smith, a tall, lanky former basketball player at Sam Houston High in Arlington, Texas, discovered that the shooter was less than 10 feet away. He turned and ran back toward the door.

"I just saw his back, but began running away," he said. "That's when I could hear and feel the bullets going past my head on either side and hitting the wall."

Once outside, Smith wasn't done. Pearsall, who Smith called his "battle buddy" had been waiting in his pickup for Smith to complete his paperwork, when he heard the shooting.

"I didn't know what it was at first, but then I saw people running out of the building, covered in blood. I told them to get in my truck," Pearsall said. "I got out and helped several more get in. They were pretty messed up. Blood was everywhere. A couple of medics then got in too. I probablly had five or six people back there, including the medics. Then right before I took off, PFC Smith jumped in."

But not for long. After about a mile, as the truck was nearing the on-post hospital, "PFC Smith realized we'd left one of our guys back there, so when I slowed down a little he jumped out and ran nearly a mile back there," Pearsall said.

Smith found the wounded soldier he was searching for trying, without much success, to drive himself to the hospital in his own car. "I stopped him and threw him in the back seat and drove him to the hospital," he said.

But while both young soldiers escaped with nothing more than a small bullet hole in one boot heel, both say have been shaken badly.

"I didn't get any sleep last night," a visibly tired and upset Smith said. "My experience was terrifying. I never thought this could happpen at Fort Hood. I'm very distraught right now, and angry."

"I'm angry because I feel betrayed. He (Hasan) was one of our own and did this to our own family."

"We're soldiers' first and we did our jobs even though this happened to my family I'm going to do my job," he said.

Pearsall said the only good to come from the tragic event was witnissing his fellow soldiers rallying to the aid of the wounded. "It shows me that when I do go into combat everybody knows what to do."
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Old 11-07-2009, 08:27   #188
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I think there should be a national carry, with very few limitations, and a Federal carry permit, much as retired LE has national priviliges, that would be good on installations as well.

These permits would require significant training on the legal issues of lethal force as well as a performance based demonstration of the applicant's capabilties to make judgements and engage threats in real time.

Is this going to happen with the Dims, or even the Repubs in office with our current mainstream media? No.

So you are left with a moral (and legal) dilemma.

Just my .02, YMMV.

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Old 11-07-2009, 08:46   #189
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Maybe the president is actually learning from his mistakes.
Ahem, not according to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0hiw8iXdMM

This is the initial response of the POTUS after the attack.

Thanking those who organized some conference and acknowledging his buddies seemed his more important agenda.

He's learned nothing from prior mistakes.


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It's extremely difficult to look at this shooting as PTSD as it is claimed since he made an effort to thank people for being his friends and emptied his apartment immediately prior to shooting 43 people. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us...pect.html?_r=1
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Pfc. Marquest Smith, who is heading to Afghanistan in January, was filling out medical paperwork about his bee-sting allergy when he heard a loud popping noise.

Moans followed, then the sudden, urgent shout of "Gun!"

Smith poked his head over the cubicle's partition and saw an extraordinary sight: An Army officer with two guns, firing into the crowded room.

The 21-year-old Fort Worth native quickly grabbed the civilian worker who'd been helping with his paperwork and forced her under the desk. He lay low for several minutes, waiting for the shooter to run out of ammunition and wishing he, too, had a gun.

After the shooter stopped to reload, Smith made a run for it. Pushing two other soldiers in front of him, he made it out of the Soldier Readiness Processing center — only to plunge into the building twice more to help the wounded.

Smith had survived the worst mass shooting on an American military base: a rampage of more than 100 shots that left 13 dead and more than two dozen wounded, including the alleged shooter, Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

The suspected gunman's Palestinian uncle told Fox News that the family was "shocked" by the allegations and had no indication Hasan was capable of such violence.

"He was very quiet, very nice, never been upset, always a smile," Rafiq Ismail told Fox News' Reena Ninan in an interview in Ramallah, the West Bank. "Til now, we did not believe he did it. It's not him. ... Something happened, made him snap or something."

Ismail said Hasan's parents died several years ago and he had been "coping" with the loss since. He said his nephew was against the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, but was dismayed by the anti-Muslim backlash.

"He was saying they were killers, what they did in 9/11. He did not approve of it," Ismail said. "But I tell you he did not like the reaction ... collective punishment for the background Arabic or Islam."

The massacre could have been much worse, but for the heroics of Smith and others — like the 19-year-old private who ignored her own wounds, and the diminutive civilian police officer whose gunfire helped take down Hasan.

"Unfortunately over the past eight years, our Army has been no stranger to tragedy," said a somber Gen. George Casey, Army chief of staff. "But we are an Army that draws strength from adversity. And hearing the stories of courage and heroism that I heard today makes me proud to be the leader of this great Army."

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Home of the 1st Cavalry and 1st Army Division West, Fort Hood has seen more than its share of deployments and casualties in the past eight years.

As a psychiatrist, Hasan, 39, had listened to soldiers' tales of horror. Now, the American-born Muslim was facing imminent deployment to Afghanistan. In recent days, Hasan had been saying goodbye to friends. He had given away many of his possessions, including copies of the Holy Koran.

At 2:37 a.m. Thursday and again around 5, Hasan called neighbor Willie Bell. Bell could normally hear Hasan's morning prayers through the thin apartment walls, but Hasan skipped the ritual Thursday.

Bell didn't pick up either time, but Hasan left a message.

"Nice knowing you, old friend," Hasan said. "I'm going to miss you."

About an hour later, surveillance cameras at a 7-Eleven across from the base captured images of a smiling Hasan, dressed in a long white garment and white kufi prayer cap, buying his usual breakfast — coffee and a hash brown.

At the processing center on the southern edge of the 100,000-acre base, soldiers returning from overseas mingled with colleagues filling out forms and undergoing medical tests in preparation for deployment.

Around 1:30 p.m., witnesses say a man later identified as Hasan jumped up on a desk and shouted the words "Allahu Akbar!" — Arabic for "God is great!" He was armed with two pistols, one a semiautomatic capable of firing up to 20 rounds without reloading.
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A little more on Sgt Munley:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1107/p02s03-usmi.html

Kimberly Munley ended Fort Hood rampage using Virginia Tech lessons

Kimberly Munley, the police officer identified as bringing an end to Fort Hood rampage Thursday, applied protocols established in the aftermath of the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings.
By Patrik Jonsson | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
from the November 7, 2009 edition
Fort Hood, Texas - Lessons learned from the horrific Virginia Tech shootings in 2007 are credited with averting an even bigger massacre at Fort Hood, Texas, Thursday afternoon when police officer Kimberly Munley confronted the gunman without waiting for backup and took him down with four shots.

Reviews in the aftermath of the shootings at Virginia Tech, where 32 died, found that first responders' decision to be careful and wait for backup probably cost lives as that gunman moved unchecked from classroom to classroom as law enforcement massed outside.

Those findings had found their way to Fort Hood's Special Reaction Team, which had practiced an entirely new protocol for at least a year before Thursday afternoon's rampage here, in which 13 were killed and at least 28 wounded.

"The lesson from Virginia Tech was, don't wait for backup but move to the target and eliminate the shooter," says Chuck Medley, chief of Fort Hood's emergency services. "It requires courage and it requires skill."

The task on Thursday fell to the petite Ms. Munley, a civilian police officer employed by the Army at Fort Hood. Munley had taken part in intensive active-shooter training during the past year.

One of the first responders, she exited her car and entered the building as shots rang out. She rounded a corner, identified the shooter, and fired four times. He returned fire and hit her at least twice in the legs and once in the arm. She underwent surgery Friday but is said to be in good condition. It's unclear how many other responders were present and firing, but Munley's shots are believed to be the ones that stopped the alleged gunman, Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

"She walked up and engaged him," said Fort Hood commander Lt. Gen. Bob Cone, according to an Associated Press report. Her training taught her that "if you act aggressively to take out a shooter, you will have less fatalities," he said.

Munley is in stable condition and "very upbeat," says Medley. "I've never seen a person with that kind of injury so upbeat, in fact."

"It was an amazing and aggressive performance by this police officer," said Cone.

Munley, who comes from North Carolina and worked as a police officer there, is known to be a tough cop. She often patrolled her neighborhood and once stopped burglars at her house, according to CNN.

Munley, who has a 3-year-old daughter, is married to Staff Sgt. Matthew Munley, who has done two tours in Iraq and was recently transferred to Fort Bragg, N.C., according to news reports. On what appears to be her Twitter page (the user is one Kim Munley from Killeen, Texas), the biography reads: "I live a good life ... a hard one, but I go to sleep peacefully at night knowing that I may have made a difference in someone's life."

Army officials at the Pentagon Friday held a video teleconference with officials at Virginia Tech to get advice on how to deal with the aftermath of a massacre.

At the base, a moment of silence was observed Friday afternoon, and many people's thoughts were on the fallen and injured in a place that soldiers said is their "home" away from war. Many hailed Munley's role in saving "countless lives" by stopping a shooter who, according to one soldier, "was picking people off like fish in a barrel" inside the building.

"She's an exceptional individual," Medley says. "Fort Hood is fortunate to have an officer of that caliber."
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"WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama, seeking to reassure a nation shaken by the mass shooting on an Army post in Texas, said Saturday that the training designed to keep U.S. forces safe abroad prevented further deaths and ended a rampage at Fort Hood.

Praising what he called the heroism that ended gunfire on the nation's largest army post, the president described the exchange that left 13 dead and 30 others wounded on Thursday a tragedy.

In his weekly radio and Internet address on the weekend before Veterans Day, Obama praised those who serve or have served in uniform and reminded the public of their diversity — a move designed to calm tensions around the suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

"They are Americans of every race, faith and station. They are Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and nonbelievers," Obama said. "They are descendants of immigrants and immigrants themselves. They reflect the diversity that makes this America. But what they share is a patriotism like no other."

Calls for patience
Obama called for patience while officials piece together what happened.

"We cannot fully know what leads a man to do such a thing," Obama said. "But what we do know is that our thoughts are with every one of the men and women who were injured at Fort Hood. Our thoughts are with all the families who've lost a loved one in this national tragedy."

But Obama said while "we saw the worst of human nature on full display, we also saw the best of America."

"We saw soldiers and civilians alike rushing to aid fallen comrades, tearing off bullet-riddled clothes to treat the injured, using blouses as tourniquets, taking down the shooter even as they bore wounds themselves," Obama said.

"We saw soldiers bringing to bear on our own soil the skills they had been trained to use abroad — skills that been honed through years of determined effort for one purpose and one purpose only: to protect and defend the United States of America."

President will attend memorial service
Obama's aides, meanwhile, worked to make way for Obama to attend a still unscheduled memorial service. The White House's top spokesman said Obama would attend that service and emphasized it would take place at the family's convenience and that it will not be dictated by the president's schedule.

"When a service is scheduled, the president will attend," Robert Gibbs told reporters during his daily briefing.

Later Saturday, Obama planned to make remarks to reporters in the Rose Garden before departing to the presidential retreat at Camp David for a night away from Washington. He planned to leave Wednesday for a 10-day trip to Asia."



Real nice of him to find the time.

It's obvious he doesn't see an act of terrorism as an act of terrorism when it comes to muslims shouting Allahu Akbar before shooting 43 people. Given the fact the man (and I use that term loosely) gave away all his belongings immediaely prior to the shooting, you'd think Obama would see it as something more than a nice guy who deserves the benefit of the doubt.
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Some particulars from a WSJ article:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125750297355533413.html

....The shooting rampage began shortly after 1:20 p.m. Thursday, as scores of soldiers from the 36th engineer brigade, which has the motto "Stay Rugged," waited for medical exams at the Soldier Readiness Processing Center, a gymnasium-sized building at Fort Hood where troops are prepped for deployment. The process is long and as the soldiers milled about, they texted friends, called parents, watched ESPN.

Then, chaos.

Authorities say several witnesses heard Maj. Hasan open fire with two weapons, neither of them Army-issued. One person with knowledge of the weapons said one was a revolver, the other a FN Herstal "Five-seveN"tactical pistol, which one firearms Web site describes as capable of defeating "most body armor in military service around the world today."

The FN carries 20 rounds per magazine. One witness said he saw Maj. Hasan reload at least once. A medic who treated the major's injuries said his camouflage cargo pant pockets were full of magazines.

The shots came so rapidly that Pvt. First Class Marquest Smith, who was going over some paperwork in a cubicle in the building, says he first thought he was hearing microwave popcorn.

Someone shouted: "Gun!"

Pvt. Smith dived under a desk. He says he waited several long minutes, listening to the terror unfold, until he thought he should make a dash for safety.

As he broke for the door, he saw Maj. Hasan in combat fatigues, moving around the room. His handgun was pointed downward, he said, as though he were methodically shooting the soldiers who had fallen or were crouching, seeking cover.

A bullet hit Pvt. Smith's boot as he fled, sticking in the sole. His mom called, too, on Thursday, and he told her he was fine.

The first 911 calls to the police station on base came in at 1:23 p.m. Officers across the sprawling base sprang into action.

Kimberly Munley, a 35-year-old police officer, happened to be nearby, waiting for her squad car to get a tune-up, when she heard the commotion. She raced to the scene, according to her boss, Chuck Medley, director of emergency services on base.

As she rounded a corner, she saw Maj. Hasan chasing a wounded soldier through an open courtyard. He looked as though he was trying to "finish off" the wounded soldier, Mr. Medley said.

"He looked extremely focused," said Francisco De La Serna, a 23-year-old medic who had fled the building and was watching the same scene unfold from a hiding spot across the street.

Ms. Munley's first shot missed Maj. Hasan. He spun to face her and began charging, Mr. Medley said.

The time was 1:27 p.m., just four minutes after the initial 911 call.

Authorities haven't said precisely how many shots were fired during the running gun battle between Maj. Hasan and Ms. Munley. But one of her shots hit Mr. Hasan in the torso, knocking him to the ground. With that, officials say, she quite likely prevented more injuries or deaths on the base.

Ms. Munley took two bullets to her legs. Both entered her left thigh, ripped through the flesh and lodged in her right thigh. She also received a minor wound to the right wrist.

Specialist De La Serna, the medic hiding across the street, sprinted to the scene as the shooting stopped and put a tourniquet on Ms. Munley, who was fading in and out of consciousness, he said. Then he moved to Maj. Hasan, who had a gunshot wound through the chest. Mr. De La Serna described the wounded major as calm and quiet, conscious but weak, a handgun at his side.

Ms. Munley underwent surgery Thursday night to halt bleeding and faces at least two more operations to remove the bullets in her thigh. Authorities said her husband, a soldier stationed at Fort Bragg, was on his way. Her Twitter account filled with messages of thanks and admiration from strangers world-wide.

As soon as the shooting stopped, soldiers in the processing center shifted into combat mode, ripping apart their uniforms to use as tourniquets. The wounded flooded the emergency room on base, where nurses and doctors struggled to cope with the injuries....
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"WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama, seeking to reassure a nation shaken by the mass shooting on an Army post in Texas, said Saturday that the training designed to keep U.S. forces safe abroad prevented further deaths and ended a rampage at Fort Hood.

Praising what he called the heroism that ended gunfire on the nation's largest army post, the president described the exchange that left 13 dead and 30 others wounded on Thursday a tragedy.

In his weekly radio and Internet address on the weekend before Veterans Day, Obama praised those who serve or have served in uniform and reminded the public of their diversity — a move designed to calm tensions around the suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

"They are Americans of every race, faith and station. They are Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus and nonbelievers," Obama said. "They are descendants of immigrants and immigrants themselves. They reflect the diversity that makes this America. But what they share is a patriotism like no other."

Calls for patience
Obama called for patience while officials piece together what happened.

"We cannot fully know what leads a man to do such a thing," Obama said. "But what we do know is that our thoughts are with every one of the men and women who were injured at Fort Hood. Our thoughts are with all the families who've lost a loved one in this national tragedy."

But Obama said while "we saw the worst of human nature on full display, we also saw the best of America."

"We saw soldiers and civilians alike rushing to aid fallen comrades, tearing off bullet-riddled clothes to treat the injured, using blouses as tourniquets, taking down the shooter even as they bore wounds themselves," Obama said.

"We saw soldiers bringing to bear on our own soil the skills they had been trained to use abroad — skills that been honed through years of determined effort for one purpose and one purpose only: to protect and defend the United States of America."

President will attend memorial service
Obama's aides, meanwhile, worked to make way for Obama to attend a still unscheduled memorial service. The White House's top spokesman said Obama would attend that service and emphasized it would take place at the family's convenience and that it will not be dictated by the president's schedule.

"When a service is scheduled, the president will attend," Robert Gibbs told reporters during his daily briefing.

Later Saturday, Obama planned to make remarks to reporters in the Rose Garden before departing to the presidential retreat at Camp David for a night away from Washington. He planned to leave Wednesday for a 10-day trip to Asia."



Real nice of him to find the time.

It's obvious he doesn't see an act of terrorism as an act of terrorism when it comes to muslims shouting Allahu Akbar before shooting 43 people. Given the fact the man (and I use that term loosely) gave away all his belongings immediaely prior to the shooting, you'd think Obama would see it as something more than a nice guy who deserves the benefit of the doubt.
I disagree with your assertion. What do you expect him to say...go out and roundup the Muslims in the Army? Where do you see him say the Major is a nice guy who deserves the benefit of the doubt? I watched his press conference and heard him condemn what this "officer" did.
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I think he should call a spade a spade and declare that this guy was a murderer and a terrorist.

Where are the hate crime charges, BTW?

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