Ebola: "Out of Control in West Africa"

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

What happens when you are showing symptoms, and the doctor or hospital sends you away anyway?

TR

Blind or in denial.

[Stobey]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Blind or in denial.

They weren't looking for it. This blindsided them.

[Oldrotorhead]

Possible? I didn't see any other source.


Ebola Virus Infecting ISIS Members
By joelleyden | September 29, 2014
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By Israel News Agency Staff

Jerusalem — September 29, 2014 … Israeli security sources say that the deadly Ebola virus may be spreading among member of ISIS (Islamic State) in Syria. The report states that dozens of ISIS terrorists have come down with symptoms identical to the killer virus which has claimed over 6,574 victims in five West African countries – Senegal and Nigeria are the other two – with 3,091 deaths reported.

The UN mission to combat Ebola opened its headquarters today in Ghana, where it will co-ordinate aid for the accelerating West African crisis.

The spread of Ebola has spiraled into the worst-ever outbreak, as the World Health Organization says it is has associated more than 3,000 deaths to the disease, although that is likely an underestimate of the real toll. Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea have been hit hardest. Senegal and Nigeria have also been affected, but have not reported a new case in weeks.

“We know that ISIS has training camps in Africa and it is highly possible that this is where contact with the disease was made,” said Avi, a commercial, global, anti-terrorism consultant. “This would add new meaning to the US stating that “no boots would be on the ground as both missiles and Ebola penetrates one of the worst evils the world has ever known.”

The success of Islamic State (ISIS) could shape the thinking of African Islamists, said Andrew Muzonzini, Zimbabwe’s head of external intelligence and a member of the African Union’s Committee of Intelligence and Security Services of Africa (CISSA).

http://israelnewsagency.com/ebola-vi...-isis-members/

[Stobey]

Who knows? Maybe Boko Haram will have something else to keep them occupied, instead of just murdering Christians. One can only hope...

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Stobey

They weren't looking for it. This blindsided them.

This shouldn't be "blindsiding" anyone at this point. While not nearly in the same category as say the bubonic plague or typhoid fever. The first medical question should be, "have you traveled outside the United States recently, say to West Africa?"

Not to go off topic, but we once had a guy return from a deployment to Southeast Asia and developed all the S/S of malaria. He went to the hospital twice with no diagnosis or treatment. Blood test negative...

A few of us team medics ran his blood under a microscope in the team room and there it was, P. Falciparum malaria clear as the day we were in school.

Sent him back over to the the hospital and told them to do a manual blood exam...duh! The "machine" they were using did not identify malaria so he went undiagnosed for two weeks. Modern medicine!

He got better shortly thereafter. 'Cept that for a few weeks he was a U.S. present host to an eradicated disease in America. Blindsided medical doctors, or just blind!

[Stobey]

Believe it or not, there are many people in the U.S. who have not been really watching this - or know that our Usurper-in-Chief absolutely refuses to ban all flights originating from the Ebola-infected nations. That is something that he should have done as far back as June, when it was apparent that this particular Ebola outbreak was different from all of the earlier ones and was just not going to dry up and go away, as all of the earlier outbreaks had done.

Remember, too many said: "It can't happen here.", including the CDC. A lot of people believed that rubbish. Many still do.

BTW, in a case similar to the malaria case you described in your post, a Vietnam vet was having problems breathing at night, and also had terrible swelling in his legs. This was many years after his return from Southeast Asia. No doctor he went to initially could diagnose his problem. This mis-diagnosis crap went on for quite some time. Many thought he was suffering from CHF. It took a doctor familiar with the signs and symptoms he presented to suspect filariasis. When his blood was collected - at night - when the little buggers are active. A positive diagnosis was possible with the identification of microfilariae by microscopic examination. But it took a doctor that was familiar with this particular disease to be able to recognize what this man was most likely suffering from.

[BrokenSwitch]

. The patient, Thomas Eric Duncan, flew from his hometown of Monrovia, Liberia, and through Brussels, Belgium on Sept. 20 before entering the United States via Washington Dulles International Airport in Virginia. He then traveled on to Dallas-Fort Worth.

The guy came to the US via Europe, so stopping direct flights from Africa wouldn't have caught him. (Yes, the flights should be stopped, but this is a new problem that IMHO should be discussed, given all the responses about stopping direct flights.)


Additionally, he went through 2 US airports. Any connection to that sick guy in DC?
And if so, does that mean even asymptomatic people are still contagious?

[Sdiver]

Originally Posted by BrokenSwitch

And if so, does that mean even asymptomatic people are still contagious?

Simple answer to your question is NO.

Ebola is transmitted through direct contact with saliva, sweat and blood. It is not contagious until the symptoms begin.

Here's a link that follows the Dallas Pt. pretty much from the time he first comes in contact with the person he contracted the disease from to the time he checks into the Dallas hospital ... the second time.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...10-04-15-35-19

[Paslode]

A big problem with the Ebola, probably the biggest problem is the government bureaucracy, it is like watching the ICC (International Code Commission) gone bad.

Last Friday I heard on the radio (ABC News I am pretty sure) that the reason the Ebola clean up in Dallas had not taken place for days was because.....none of the companies had the proper Licenses and Permits to perform the work.

How do you get a license to perform work so you can pull a permit....... Find a 'Qualified' company or person that offers the course, pay a fee, take a class 1-5 days in duration, pass a test, get a piece of paper that verifies you passed a test, then you head to the federal, state and/or local licensing office, pay more fees, fill out more paper work, prove you have insurance, get you picture taken for an ID card and then given a temporary ID.

If they are lucky one person in the company can take the course which will then allow them teach the others in the clean up crew without the expense of sending every employee.

Until all that is accomplished no one can clean up the mess.


And MuMbO jUmBO from one of the bureaucrats....CDC director Tom Frieden:

In terms of the entry process, we really need to be clear that we don't inadvertently increase the risk to people in this country by making it harder for us to respond to the needs in those countries, by making it harder to get assistance in and therefore those outbreaks would become worse, go on longer, and paradoxically, something that we did to try and protect ourselves might actually increase our risk.'

Considering that line of thought....maybe the US should eliminate terror watch lists and let ISIS, AQ and others travel freely into our country??? OH I forgot....WE DO!



In the area of Actions & Consequences Dr. Tom had this to say:

Though we might wish we can seal ourselves off from the world, there are Americans who have the right of return and many other people that have the right to enter this country he said.

If Dr. Nancy Snyderman or any of these other entitled persons just happens to infect someone in my family......will I have the right to do harm to Dr. Tom for his negligence? Probably not because he followed SOP......I mean by Dr. Tom's logic Dr. Nancy and many others have the 'Right' to be here in the US regardless of what disease or virus they may be carrying........even one that has the potential to wipe out vast populations.

By his own words, Dr. Tom would put 300+ million people at risk in the US for the sake of a single person.

[Stobey]

This should be revealing...

Video: “We’re Screwed”: MSM Caught on Hot Mic at White House Ebola Press Briefing

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php...-press-briefin

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Stobey

This should be revealing...

Video: “We’re Screwed”: MSM Caught on Hot Mic at White House Ebola Press Briefing

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php...-press-briefin

if we are screwed it is because we have too many luncheons, meetings and actions groups to kick it around and slap each other on the back...

[LarryW]

Originally Posted by Paslode

if we are screwed it is because we have too many luncheons, meetings and actions groups to kick it around and slap each other on the back...

Absolutely.

[Paslode]

I am no expert, but it would seem my simple thinking that if you cut off all commercial modes of transportation in and out of Africa, and you made the US border a far less inviting place they could drastically cut the contagion from spreading into the US and beyond.

If Ebola is truely as bad as they say....Worst case scenario they could do as mentioned earlier....nuke it

By Jim Garamone
DoD News, Defense Media Activity

WASHINGTON, Oct. 8, 2014 – The potential spread of Ebola into Central and Southern America is a real possibility, the commander of U.S. Southern Command told an audience at the National Defense University here yesterday.

“By the end of the year, there’s supposed to be 1.4 million people infected with Ebola and 62 percent of them dying, according to the [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention],” Marine Corps Gen. John F. Kelly said. “That’s horrific. And there is no way we can keep Ebola [contained] in West Africa.”

If it comes to the Western Hemisphere, many countries have little ability to deal with an outbreak of the disease, the general said.

“So, much like West Africa, it will rage for a period of time,” Kelly said.

This is a particularly possible scenario if the disease gets to Haiti or Central America, he said. If the disease gets to countries like Guatemala, Honduras or El Salvador, it will cause a panic and people will flee the region, the general said.

“If it breaks out, it’s literally, ‘Katie bar the door,’ and there will be mass migration into the United States,” Kelly said. “They will run away from Ebola, or if they suspect they are infected, they will try to get to the United States for treatment.”

Also, transnational criminal networks smuggle people and those people can be carrying Ebola, the general said. Kelly spoke of visiting the border of Costa Rica and Nicaragua with U.S. embassy personnel. At that time, a group of men “were waiting in line to pass into Nicaragua and then on their way north,” he recalled.

“The embassy person walked over and asked who they were and they told him they were from Liberia and they had been on the road about a week,” Kelly continued. “They met up with the network in Trinidad and now they were on their way to the United States -- illegally, of course.”

Those men, he said, “could have made it to New York City and still be within the incubation period for Ebola.”

Kelly said his command is in close contact with U.S. Africa Command to see what works and what does not as it prepares for a possible outbreak in the area of operations.

[Go Devil]

Don't trust what the TV tells you to believe.

The papers go all the way back to 1975 when Ebolavirus was first noticed.

Below is a link to hours of warm and fuzzy reading.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17848072/related/

[LarryW]

Originally Posted by Go Devil

Don't trust what the TV tells you to believe.

The papers go all the way back to 1975 when Ebolavirus was first noticed.

Below is a link to hours of warm and fuzzy reading.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17848072/related/

Good resource information.

POTUS will never close the borders against west African travel (too insensitive to Valerie's lust for PC-isms) any sooner than he'd close the border with Mexico (doesn't know why and has no cajones). He's going to do the very least he can do. Right now he can say, "Hey, I sent in the Marines, didn't I? What more do you people want? Besides, what difference does it make now?"

(spit)