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Old 07-07-2012, 15:37   #166
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Let's have it for "Dusty for VP"........ I can see it now,former Green Beret running for VP,by the time it was posted is when the guys from other SF Blogs would jump on it to see if he's a poser...

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Old 07-07-2012, 16:25   #167
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Lol, they're even stretching over at the HuffPo to find accomplishment for this guy...maybe Oprah can help, oh that's right, she has met the underside of that bus, too.

However, he did name two Supreme Court justices - IMO, a negative accomplishment - but one that will be with us for decades.

From the HuffPo by David Boaz:

"As he runs for re-election, President Obama wants to point to his accomplishments in office. Trouble is, he's having trouble identifying them.

He killed Osama bin Laden, for sure. But after that..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...b_1654836.html
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Old 07-07-2012, 21:24   #168
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Lol, they're even stretching over at the HuffPo to find accomplishment for this guy...maybe Oprah can help, oh that's right, she has met the underside of that bus, too.

However, he did name two Supreme Court justices - IMO, a negative accomplishment - but one that will be with us for decades.

From the HuffPo by David Boaz:

"As he runs for re-election, President Obama wants to point to his accomplishments in office. Trouble is, he's having trouble identifying them.

He killed Osama bin Laden, for sure. But after that..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-...b_1654836.html
I'm just waiting for the day the lib press dogpiles Obama and starts touting Hilarious Clinton for POTUS.
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Old 07-07-2012, 21:53   #169
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I'm just waiting for the day the lib press dogpiles Obama and starts touting Hilarious Clinton for POTUS.
Nope! Billy Clinton is going to continue sabotaging O's campaign (damning with faint praise) to help Mitt win! The economy is going to suck for the next four years, it's only a matter of degree as to how bad the economy will be. IF O is re-elected - with the worsened tanking he will cause, an R will for sure be elected in 2016 - for 4, probably 8 years. That'll put Hillary outside her 'Presidential window'... so, her chance is: oust Obama and put in Romney, the economy doesn't improve (and probably worsens - Europe), and in 2016, Hillary rides to the rescue (with Bill... the only 'surplus' POTUS in a lonnnnng time in the background).

You heard it hear first!
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:26   #170
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Nope! Billy Clinton is going to continue sabotaging O's campaign (damning with faint praise) to help Mitt win! The economy is going to suck for the next four years, it's only a matter of degree as to how bad the economy will be. IF O is re-elected - with the worsened tanking he will cause, an R will for sure be elected in 2016 - for 4, probably 8 years. That'll put Hillary outside her 'Presidential window'... so, her chance is: oust Obama and put in Romney, the economy doesn't improve (and probably worsens - Europe), and in 2016, Hillary rides to the rescue (with Bill... the only 'surplus' POTUS in a lonnnnng time in the background).

You heard it hear first!
Do you have any idea how much capital is being withheld until Romney takes office? Unemployment will go below 7 percent in the first FQ.

This Country can't last until 2016 with a statist in power.
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Do you have any idea how much capital is being withheld until Romney takes office? Unemployment will go below 7 percent in the first FQ.

This Country can't last until 2016 with a statist in power.

Back in 2009 I was told it is 'more than you can imagine'. And that these movers and shakers have put these vast sums on hold, they aren't going to expand and they aren't going to hire until they know what is going on and where we are headed. And if Obama gets another 4 years they will be gone, close the doors or find friendlier business environments for operations.
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Old 07-10-2012, 05:51   #172
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Romney needs to better get with the program, he is making gaffes that he shouldn't.
lol Gaffe? This is a gaffe:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz20CRsVyC8

President Obama is threatening to veto any legislation that extends all the tax cuts set to expire at the end of the year, as he presses Congress to extend those cuts only for families whose yearly income is less than $250,000 -- and raises taxes on everyone earning more.

The veto threat sets the early tone for what is expected to be a contentious battle between Democrats and Republicans through the rest of the year as they seek to avoid the so-called "taxmageddon" -- the sudden increase in taxes on all Americans that will occur if Congress doesn't vote to extend some or all of the Bush-era tax rates.

The president, amid charges of class warfare, urged Congress to pass a bill that deals with the middle-class tax rates only

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Old 07-10-2012, 07:13   #173
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I personally don't believe the jet ski thing is a big deal. It's not like he is president and playing golf every two weeks, or flying all over the world, or having concerts, all at the expense of our tax dollars.
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I personally don't believe the jet ski thing is a big deal. It's not like he is president and playing golf every two weeks, or flying all over the world, or having concerts, all at the expense of our tax dollars.
Obama's playing to the crowd who doesn't have to pay for cellphones, food, housing, etc. They're for him, but if they're not motivated enough to work to improve their stations in life, IMO they're not motivated enough to turn off the judge show, get off their asses, go to the booth and vote this time. Obama's stash never materialized, so they no longer picture a cash cow.

His strategy to sway women failed with all but the most ardent femlibs, and I'm telling you, women are as key in this election as much as they have been going back to Susan B.

If 8-10 percent more of the population were on the dole, Obama would have this thing aced. He's doing his best to get there with the Food Stamp parties and shit, but he won't quite make it.

God help the Country if we ever allow this kind of communist bullshit to happen again.
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Old 07-10-2012, 08:44   #175
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That is where all the dead folks casting ballots come into play, along with no voter i.d. crap. I think more damage is on the way; he still has a few more months to drive it in a little more and twist. He won't bow out gracefully.
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Do you have any idea how much capital is being withheld until Romney takes office? Unemployment will go below 7 percent in the first FQ.

This Country can't last until 2016 with a statist in power.
I agree with this.

Had a conversation with a customer, small business owner originally born in PR, he absolutely hates the big zero and said He's hoping to hire again after the election.
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Old 07-10-2012, 18:48   #177
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He won't bow out gracefully.
Several opinion pieces I read today happen to agree. As pampered & shielded from any real need to demonstrate competence (at anything), he has no experience or frame of reference that lets him accept "no, you're done." And he has the Court of Sycophants whispering in his ear.
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Old 07-11-2012, 13:30   #178
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That's it....... I've heard enough about "O"s negative posts......... Here is a guy,humble as he is trying to get the best plans out to you guys/gals and all of you keep giving him is your shit........ He's given you obama care,lifted the gay rules for service,took complete responsibility for the successful assassination of OBL,wants no taxes for the poor making less than 250K,and shows his deep respect for our flag.........And you people are still not bitching,sounds like your a little ungrateful to me........ Being "humble" as he is just isn't good enough for you is it?........

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Old 07-11-2012, 14:40   #179
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More class-warfare from Obama

...a few more negatives...

If Romney had a fair shake with the MSM this election would be over before it starts.

Investor's Business Daily
July 10, 2012
Thomas Sowell

Anyone who wants to study the tricks of propaganda rhetoric has a rich source of examples in the statements of President Barack Obama.

On Monday, for example, he said that Republicans "believe that prosperity comes from the top down, so that if we spend trillions more on tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, that that will somehow unleash jobs and economic growth."

Let us begin with the word "spend." Is the government "spending" money on people whenever it does not tax them as much as it can? Such convoluted reasoning would never pass muster if the mainstream media were not so determined to see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil when it comes to Barack Obama.

Ironically, actual spending by the Obama administration for the benefit of its political allies, such as the teachers' unions, is not called spending but "investment." You can say anything if you have your own private language.

But let's go back to the notion of "spending" money on "the wealthiest Americans." The people he is talking about are not the wealthiest Americans. Income is not wealth — and the whole tax controversy is about income taxes. Wealth is what you have accumulated, and wealth is not taxed, except when you die and the government collects an inheritance tax from your heirs.

People over 65 years of age have far more wealth than people in their 30s and 40s — but lower incomes.

If Obama wants to talk about raising income taxes, let him talk about it, but claiming that he wants to tax "the wealthiest Americans" is a lie and an emotional distraction for propaganda purposes.

The really big lie — and one that no amount of hard evidence or logic seems to make a dent in — is that those who oppose raising taxes on higher incomes simply want people with higher incomes to have more money, in hopes that some of their prosperity will "trickle down" to the rest of the people.

Some years ago, a challenge was issued in this column to name any economist, outside of an insane asylum, who had ever said any such thing. Not one example has yet been received, whether among economists or anyone else. Someone is always claiming that somebody else said it, but no one has ever been able to name and quote that somebody else.

Once we have put aside the lies and the convoluted use of words, what are we left with? Not much.

Obama is claiming that the government can get more tax revenue by raising the tax rate on people with higher incomes. It sounds plausible, and that may be enough for some people, but the hard facts make it a very iffy proposition.

This issue has been fought out in the United States in several administrations — both Democratic and Republican. It has also been fought out in other countries.

What is the real argument of those who want to prevent taxes from rising above a certain percentage, even for people with high incomes? It has nothing to do with making them more prosperous so that their prosperity will "trickle down."

Kennedy's Clarity

A Democratic president — John F. Kennedy — stated the issue plainly. Under the existing tax rates, he explained, investors' "efforts to avoid tax liabilities" made them put their money in tax shelters, because existing tax laws made "certain types of less-productive activity more profitable than other more valuable undertakings" for the country.

Ironically, the Obama campaign's attacks on Mitt Romney for putting his money in the Cayman Islands substantiate the point that President Kennedy and others have made, that higher tax rates can drive money into tax shelters, whether tax-exempt municipal bonds or investments in other countries.

In other words, raising tax rates does not automatically raise tax revenues for the government. Higher tax rates have often led to lower tax revenues for states, the federal government and other countries. Conversely, lower tax rates have often led to higher tax revenues. It all depends on the circumstances.

But none of this matters to Barack Obama.

If class warfare rhetoric about taxes leads to more votes for him, that is his bottom line, whether the government gets a dime more revenue or not. So long as his lies go unchallenged, a second term will be the end result for him and a lasting calamity for the country.

Nothing produces more of a sense of the futility of facts than seeing someone in the mass media repeating some notion that has been refuted innumerable times over the years.

On Monday, on CNN's program "The Situation Room" with Wolf Blitzer, commentator Gloria Borger discussed President Obama's plan to continue the temporary extension of the tax rates established under the Bush administration — except for the top brackets, where Obama wanted the tax rates raised.

"If you're going to lower the tax rates," Ms. Borger said, "where are you going to get the money from?"

First of all, nobody is talking about lowering the tax rates. They are talking about whether or not to continue the existing tax rates, which are set to expire after a temporary extension.

And Obama is talking about raising the tax rate on higher-income earners.

But when Ms. Borger asked, "Where are you going to get the money from?" if you don't raise tax rates, that assumes an automatic correlation between tax rates and tax revenues, which is demonstrably false.

As far back as the 1920s, a huge cut in the highest income tax rate — from 73% to 24% — led to a huge increase in the amount of tax revenue collected by the federal government.

Why? Because investors took their money out of tax shelters, where they were earning very modest rates of return, and put their money into the productive economy, where they could earn higher rates of return, now that those returns were not so heavily taxed.

Tax-Cut Rationales

This was the very reason why tax rates were cut in the first place — to get more revenue for the federal government.

The same was true, decades later, during the Kennedy administration. Similar reasons led to tax-rate cuts during the Reagan and the George W. Bush administrations.

All of these presidents — Democrat and Republican alike — made the same argument for tax-rate reductions that had been made in the 1920s, and the results were similar as well.

Yet the invincible lie continues to this day that those who oppose high tax rates on high incomes are doing so because they want to reduce the taxes paid by high-income earners, in hopes that their increased prosperity will "trickle down" to others.

In reality, high-income earners paid not only a larger total amount of taxes after the tax rate cuts of the 1920s but also a higher share of all the income taxes collected.

It is a matter of record that anyone can check out with official government statistics.

This result was not peculiar to the 1920s. In 2006, the New York Times reported: "An unexpectedly steep rise in tax revenues from corporations and the wealthy is driving down the projected budget deficit this year."

Expectations are in the eye of the beholder. Tax-cut proponents expected precisely the result from the Bush tax cuts that so surprised the New York Times. So did tax cut proponents in the Kennedy and Reagan administrations.

If this concept has not yet trickled down to the New York Times or CNN's Gloria Borger, that is a commentary on the media commentators.

Ms. Borger may simply not know any better, but Barack Obama cannot use that excuse.

When he was a candidate for president back in 2008, Charles Gibson of ABC News confronted him with the fact that there was no automatic correlation between the raising and lowering of tax rates and whether tax revenues moved up or down.

Obama admitted that. But he said that he was for raising tax rates on higher-income earners anyway, in the name of "fairness."

How higher tax rates that the government does not actually collect make any sense, whether from a fairness perspective or as a way of paying the government's bills, is another question. The point here is that Obama knew then that tax rates and tax revenues do not automatically move in the same direction.

In other words, he is lying when he talks as if tax rates and tax revenues move together. Ms. Borger and others in the media may or may not know that.

So they are not necessarily lying. But they are failing to inform their audiences about the facts — and that allows Obama's lies to stand.

http://news.investors.com/article/61...lth.htm?p=full
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Old 07-11-2012, 15:44   #180
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Mitt booed at NACCP .............

Article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1664900.html

This isn't good but since it was were it was,I'm not really that surprised........

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