Black militia group wants to arrest Trayvon Martin shooter

[Iraqgunz]

Interesting how more and more information is coming out about the Angel Martin. The discovery in the bag if true is very interesting indeed. Especially since he declined to provide any real answers.

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by charlietwo

A question to you seasoned veterans (read: old people ) out there:

Was it this bad back in the 60s?

Much worse if you count bodies in the morgue, but the circumstances were much different.

During the 1965-65 riots the cause, although similar, was very different.

1)there was pervasive bigotry in parts of America, including the LEO organizations
2)LEO's had more liberties when it came to physical confrontations with non-LEO's
3)normal Americans did not have access to MSM like today

Read these references. The common factor was a confrontation with a LEO that went bad.

ref:
http://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/times/times_watts.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_Riots
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Ph...phia_race_riot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_Riot_of_1964


Although Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, & the NBPP want you to believe that they are similar situations and will continue to encourage riots.

AND the msm in their incessant want for viewership ratings seem to encourage the dissidents.

Most Americans are less bigoted, are more educated to ethic diversity, less whipped up by the MSM, and tend to want more facts before passing judgment.

I say Most Americans because there will always be bigots. Street organizers like BHO, Jesse, Al, & NBPP can not exist if they didn't have some portion of the population oppressed.

They do that by harping the sheeple/welfare mantra. Keeping their support base dependent on more of the endless "I want" .

Net Net: Do the community organizers want AND NEED to compare today to the 60t's riots YES,, will they get it,, I think not.

American has come to far to fall back into that mind set.

I also recognize that disasters like Katrina in NO will happen and if the winds of chaos are active,, we can regress overnight.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

Keeping their support base dependent on more of the endless "I want" .

That's the gist of it. Excellent post, Bro.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by 99meters

You are very right Sir, that is the standard. He should have taken your advice and let LEOs do the investigation. You are doing what you are accusing me of; jumping to conclusions. I never stated I believe he was guilty nor did I get into the race issue, my only opinion was that his actions were foolish.
If the kid was stabbing his girlfriend, by all means get out of your truck and shoot him in the head. Any real man would/ should do this if he has the means. However, jumping out your truck to pursue some suspicious person through your neighborhood is just plain stupid in my book.
I consider my self a very patriotic person, but I have no intensions of buying a Larue and go hunting terrorist in Afghan. Because i may loose contact with the terrorist I'm pursuing, have him double back and confront me at my truck, punch me in the nose and knock me to ground with one blow, then bash my head into the pavement.

Sometimes you have to know when to leave shit alone.
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You're the one jumping to conclusions. We have tried to intimate that nobody should judge Zimmerman's actions until the evidence is presented in a court of law; you have already determined him to be a fool.

Incidentally, your "Larue and go hunting terrorist(s) in Afghan" analogy went right under my head.

[Dohhunter]

Originally Posted by 99meters

You are very right Sir, that is the standard. He should have taken your advice and let LEOs do the investigation. You are doing what you are accusing me of; jumping to conclusions. I never stated I believe he was guilty nor did I get into the race issue, my only opinion was that his actions were foolish.
If the kid was stabbing his girlfriend, by all means get out of your truck and shoot him in the head. Any real man would/ should do this if he has the means. However, jumping out your truck to pursue some suspicious person through your neighborhood is just plain stupid in my book.
I consider my self a very patriotic person, but I have no intensions of buying a Larue and go hunting terrorist in Afghan. Because i may loose contact with the terrorist I'm pursuing, have him double back and confront me at my truck, punch me in the nose and knock me to ground with one blow, then bash my head into the pavement.

Sometimes you have to know when to leave shit alone.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I'm pretty sure you weren't hiding in the bushes jerking off to one of the neighbours, so I'd refrain from making even such a simple assumption as "jumping out of your truck to pursue some suspicious person through your neighborhood".

In which case all you are using for your argument is conjecture (and don't get me wrong, both sides of the issue are doing this).

The law will be the final say on this one.....now whether that course of events continues on the path of racial and political motivation remains to be seen. I know it would, and is in a separate case (google: Ian Thompson, Port Colbourne) up here.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by charlietwo

The New Black Panther Party seems to be itching for a race war. I was not alive during the 60's, so I haven't seen stuff like this on the big picture before in the US. A question to you seasoned veterans (read: old people ) out there: Was it this bad back in the 60s?

A short write up on the New Black Panthers from that bastion of conservatism the Southern Poverty Law Center.

New Black Panther Party
Founded:**1989
Location:**Washington, D.C.
Ideology:**Black Separatist

The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and anti-Semitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers. Founded in Dallas, the group today is especially active on the East Coast, from Boston to Jacksonville, Fla. The group portrays itself as a militant, modern-day expression of the black power movement (it frequently engages in armed protests of alleged police brutality and the like), but principals of the original Black Panther Party of the 1960s and 1970s— a militant, but non-racist, left-wing organization — have rejected the new Panthers as a "black racist hate group" and contested their hijacking of the Panther name and symbol.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informe...-panther-party

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by tonyz

A short write up on the New Black Panthers from that bastion of conservatism the Southern Poverty Law Center.

New Black Panther Party
Founded:**1989
Location:**Washington, D.C.
Ideology:**Black Separatist

The New Black Panther Party is a virulently racist and anti-Semitic organization whose leaders have encouraged violence against whites, Jews and law enforcement officers. Founded in Dallas, the group today is especially active on the East Coast, from Boston to Jacksonville, Fla. The group portrays itself as a militant, modern-day expression of the black power movement (it frequently engages in armed protests of alleged police brutality and the like), but principals of the original Black Panther Party of the 1960s and 1970s— a militant, but non-racist, left-wing organization — have rejected the new Panthers as a "black racist hate group" and contested their hijacking of the Panther name and symbol.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informe...-panther-party

lol You know it's bad when you're even too kooky for the kooks.

[kgoerz]

Originally Posted by charlietwo

Just an FYI-- that picture in the lower right is of another Trayvon Martin, not the individual in question.

www.patdollard.com has some good info, and has actually done the investigative journalism where the rest of the media has woefully failed.

Also, just posted on that site: http://patdollard.com/2012/03/the-wh...ill-zimmerman/

The New Black Panther Party seems to be itching for a race war. I was not alive during the 60's, so I haven't seen stuff like this on the big picture before in the US. A question to you seasoned veterans (read: old people ) out there: Was it this bad back in the 60s?

I wouldn't call it a race War back in the 60's. It was a Civil Rights movement. Not old enough, But I would of been in the streets rioting right along with them.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by kgoerz

I wouldn't call it a race War back in the 60's. It was a Civil Rights movement. Not old enough, But I would of been in the streets rioting right along with them.

Yeah, and it was fifty f.cking years ago.

The Country elected a black President. How much farther can it advance toward equality?

The Left uses the black race as a political tool. Ask Guy. That's what's going on, and the White House is complicit.

[dennisw]

The group hopes to collect $1 million off the outrage by next week.

As always, it's all about the money.

[Dohhunter]

So on a completely unrelated note, who's going after the "New" Panthers for being a terroristic*, fear mongering, racially motivated hate group?

*not a word

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Yeah, and it was fifty f.cking years ago.

Where does the past end and the present begin?

With all due respect, QP Dusty, earlier in this thread, I raised a similar point when another member of this BB made a comparison of events in the 1960s to what is happening today. At that time, you offered a significantly different interpretation of the past's relationship to the present than you are now.

Originally Posted by Dusty

The Country elected a black President. How much farther can it advance toward equality?

How does one define equality? Is the complex issue of race relations primarily about national electoral politics and the skin color of elected and appointed leaders?

Or is it, as a member of this BB whom I respect put it, "all about the money?"

Or is it a matrix of factors--including matters of politics, policy, economics, the interplay of popular historical memory with individual experiences, contingency, and cultural sensibilities--that shapes our discussion of the encounter between Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Martin?

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Where does the past end and the present begin?

With all due respect, QP Dusty, earlier in this thread, I raised a similar point when another member of this BB made a comparison of events in the 1960s to what is happening today. At that time, you offered a significantly different interpretation of the past's relationship to the present than you are now.

How does one define equality? Is the complex issue of race relations primarily about national electoral politics and the skin color of elected and appointed leaders?

Or is it, as a member of this BB whom I respect put it, "all about the money?"

Or is it a matrix of factors--including matters of politics, policy, economics, the interplay of popular historical memory with individual experiences, contingency, and cultural sensibilities--that shapes our discussion of the encounter between Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Martin?

Yes, I offered a different interpretation which was entirely applicable to the context.

Equality is defined in this instance as blacks having access to the same rights and opportunities as whites. Show me one contemporary instance where this isn't true.

Answer this honestly: You think the National leadership would get involved if I set up a New White Militia, posting a $10K reward for the capture of any of these perpetrators of this crime?

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/news/lo...ewsom-murders/

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Dusty

The Left uses the black race as a political tool. That's what's going on, and the White House is complicit.

So true and the more you point that out the more the left
obfuscates the issue.

Misdirection and confusion is certainly in their play book.

[Stargazer]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

How does one define equality? Is the complex issue of race relations primarily about national electoral politics and the skin color of elected and appointed leaders?

Or is it, as a member of this BB whom I respect put it, "all about the money?"

Or is it a matrix of factors--including matters of politics, policy, economics, the interplay of popular historical memory with individual experiences, contingency, and cultural sensibilities--that shapes our discussion of the encounter between Mr. Zimmerman and Mr. Martin?

How do you define equality? It's a simple word to understand as defined in a dictionary, but how does it 'equate' to individual human beings? What is the common denominator?

All the factors you listed are an illusion... you cannot legislate, redistribute or force individuals to accept others as their 'equal'. All that is created or forged is divisiveness.

MOO, all that is 'equal' is one is born thereby given life. If they are fortunate enough to be born into a country where they are free, they can pursue what makes them happy. I believe the words of those in the past were carefully crafted by individuals who struggled with the same question and were all to familiar with the problems that occur when the right of free will is taken from individuals and given to others in their interest such as governments / religion...