Defense Secretary to Open All Combat Jobs to Women

[RoninSpartan]

They better start an EO brigade. The Drama and accusations are going to fly. Commanders are going to become soft and our forces will weaken.

[Badger52]

The top Army and Marine Corps generals told senators Tuesday that it will take up to three years to fully integrate women into all combat jobs, adding that women also should have to register for the draft.

You go, Girl!

[Pete]

Still no females on the Service Academy Football squads.

Some West Point female was on Jeopardy the other night and said the new class was around 30% female.

[Razor]

Class of 2019 (current freshmen) entered with 23%. No numbers available yet for Class of 2020. Apparently math isn't her area of expertise.

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Razor

Class of 2019 (current freshmen) entered with 23%. No numbers available yet for Class of 2020. Apparently math isn't her area of expertise.

Well she said she was a roads scholar

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by Mills

Do you think that they all thought that "someone else was going to fall on the sword any day now", and didn't.

Or everyone thought that it might get swept under the rug till after the election?

Either way they are shiftless non believers, if Generals are so weak in character to make a stand in spite of the Agenda then they lack moral courage no leader should be waiting until someone else makes a move and turtle up hoping someone else steps up. Just think if lacking moral courage was captured on the NCOER you and I would be QMP'd, get a NO on page 1 of any of the army values blocks expect a pink slip.

[WarriorDiplomat]

Originally Posted by sinjefe

Here's another thought. How many men will now be trying out SFQC (as well as Ranger School and the RR) who would never have done so before this. Who think, "if a girl can do this......"? The quality of those that attend, especially male, will now drop.

The ones who are joining now of the few who are, are liberal enlightened ones is my experienced guess the real men the warrior stock want no part of feminism and liberal agendas.

Speaking of warrior stock can anyone explain what happened to the Viking gene, where did it go??

The irony is the strategic need to put your biggest and baddest warriors out their as our projection of power through their presence is being lost with this bad decision. The irony is as we weaken our force and replace barrel chested warriors with enlightened libs the enemy just like nature intended will know we are weak by our significantly weaker appearing presence will see opportunity.......relative dominance on the ground or in a room is as important as a world leader telling another not to continue with their actions or their will be consequences. Diplomacy without military might is dead.

[Box]

there will still be "barrel chested" warriors on the battlefield...
...and some of them will even be able to breastfeed children

Have any of you jokers ever tried to carry a baby on your hip while doing the manual of arms?
...I didnt think so

"XX"
..........the genetic code of the new era of warrior monks

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by Pete

Still no females on the Service Academy Football squads.

Should the academy leadership just assign an all- female cadet football squad and justify it by saying it's clearly what military leadership wants?

The first televised game would be a brutally honest wake up call for the social justice warriors looking to play equality with the military.

[PSM]

Pat

[SigDude]

I have no problem with women in any MOS as long as there is but one standard. You can’t lower standards to accommodate a female in a position that requires a standard in order to do the job. I want to see a female living 100% the same standards to include no separate physical criteria. No special accommodations as in living environment and hygiene. The physical requirements are in place because of the position requires these in order to fulfill the mission. That is why many men applied for these special operations positions but only a few were up to the rigorous physical and psychological criteria. If there is a separate lower standard for a group would that not create a weaker total unit? Would like to see a women go a month in the bush without a shower and living in a hole in the wall somewhere in Afghanistan or Africa. See how they do on a COP for a month living with a bunch of yahoos with no special accommodations. See after that if they can cut it.

So one standard for all. And if a female can live up to the same living conditions, same physical abilities and same position standards they deserve the same opportunity.

[Mills]

Originally Posted by WarriorDiplomat

Either way they are shiftless non believers, if Generals are so weak in character to make a stand in spite of the Agenda then they lack moral courage no leader should be waiting until someone else makes a move and turtle up hoping someone else steps up. Just think if lacking moral courage was captured on the NCOER you and I would be QMP'd, get a NO on page 1 of any of the army values blocks expect a pink slip.

Maybe we would have room to capture that if we didn't have to dedicate 2 lines to SHARP in order to appease the feminist agenda and the rape hoaxers.

[Mills]

Originally Posted by SigDude

I have no problem with women in any MOS as long as there is but one standard. You can’t lower standards to accommodate a female in a position that requires a standard in order to do the job. I want to see a female living 100% the same standards to include no separate physical criteria. No special accommodations as in living environment and hygiene. The physical requirements are in place because of the position requires these in order to fulfill the mission. That is why many men applied for these special operations positions but only a few were up to the rigorous physical and psychological criteria. If there is a separate lower standard for a group would that not create a weaker total unit? Would like to see a women go a month in the bush without a shower and living in a hole in the wall somewhere in Afghanistan or Africa. See how they do on a COP for a month living with a bunch of yahoos with no special accommodations. See after that if they can cut it.

So one standard for all. And if a female can live up to the same living conditions, same physical abilities and same position standards they deserve the same opportunity.

While some of your points are valid.........you fail to address the social issue of integrating women into smaller, elite cohesive units. The emmasculization of the ODA has already become prevelant in the last 7 years, and will only continue through this "fundamental transformation".

Personally, the social issues of integration are as much of a danger as the lowering of standards. You introduce distractions, resentment and contempt all whilst walking on eggshells in order to avoid the EO firestorm that is to come the minute she doesn't like the way she was treated.

Those of you who choose to make the "standard" argument need to start considering the other effects other than if she can just "carry the load".

Im more worried that my Junior 18B is now more focused on banging her behind the ISU-90.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by Mills

Im more worried that my Junior 18B is now more focused on banging her behind the ISU-90.

Yup.
That would certainly foster unit cohesiveness.

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Yup.
That would certainly foster unit cohesiveness.

Only if the rest of the team joined in...