American DESERTER Bergdahl Freed in Prisoner Exchange

[Pete]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

I sense there is more to this as well.....and the CIA station chief (against the prisoner swap) just happens to be "accidentally" outed??? Something is just not right here. It just doesn't square.

Instead of them being so smart - did you ever think they could just be that dumb?

[Box]

Its hard to disassemble a clown show, but let me try...

The "performers" are in fact "clowns" out to entertain the audience. They are covered in bright happy colors with a big smile and a fun likeable demeanor. They do magic tricks, make noise, tell funny stories, and even put on a puppet show every now and then...
...but who in the fuck is the guy underneath of all of that face paint?

They show up in the proverbial "clown car" and pile out in a seemingly endless stream of jesters but how do they get so many clowns it that little bitty car?

...its because the car is gutted on the inside; it is nothing more than a colorful shell stripped of substance on the inside. The clown car only has enough substance to allow the charade to work. Nothing productive can happen inside the car, the performers are all carefully placed, awaiting their turn to pop out and take their turn with the crowd.

THERE IS NOTHING FUNNY GOING ON INSIDE THE CLOWN CAR.

Its not funny to the clowns. All of the clowns know the script, all of the clowns know when it is their turn to pop out with their props and do their 'bit'.
Its all business to the clowns.

The clowns are not the main attraction - they are a DIS-TRACTION.
The clowns come in to entertain you while the stage hands clean up the elephant shit. People come in to see the lion tamer, the tightrope walker, and the trapeze artist. The clowns are "filler" to keep you interested while the stage hands clean up after each act. The clowns keep your attention while the stage hands set up for the next attraction.

That doesn't change the fact that almost everybody loves clowns. Clowns make you feel happy when you feel down.
Just dont forget, the clown car is not a real car and the smiles that you see are all painted on...
...and the clowns are just there to distract you while the real work is being done in the shadows.


It almost sounds like our government doesn't it. The latest bit of Kabuki theater playing out in the news is nothing more than another act in the THREE ring circus that we call our government...
...and three, coincidentally is how many branches of government we have.

Three rings of government, just like the circus.
"The Greatest Show on Earth"

Bah humbug...

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Pete

Instead of them being so smart - did you ever think they could just be that dumb?

I am with you Pete

[Team Sergeant]

I'm hearing that the Veterans Administration is going to change the status of all the Vietnam/Middle East war deserters that went to Canada and any other country to "POW". With all the pay and benefits of POW status.

[AFHokie]

As a former aircrew member Berghdal's return reaffirms the fact my country will never cease recovery efforts. In that regard I'm glad he's on his way home. I'll take Gen Dempsey's remarks at face value that they felt this was the best 'last chance' opportunity to get him back.

If it were me, I'd hope all hostilities had ended and anyone exchanged for me no longer had an opportunity or desire to harm other Americans. However even if/when we leave Afghanistan entirely I doubt we have seen our last fight with the Taliban and certainly haven't with Al Qaeda. Without a definitive ceasefire I'm really not sure what to think of any prisoner exchange. Would we think any different of the exchange if instead of Berghdal the TB had captured Marcus Luttrell (or any soldier clearly captured following a fight) and held him in captivity?

Is it possible to differentiate between his actions leading to his disappearance/desertion and his conduct during captivity? Can they be considered two separate acts? Should they be considered separate? I doubt he's the first soldier in history captured by the other side after deserting. I realize it's a long shot, but what if his conduct and actions after capture are substantiated as honorable? Those are a couple big 'what ifs' and debatable he's returning with honor. He has a lot of convincing to do.

Let's see how long the five Taliban remain in Qatar. If they're picked up off the battlefield again and even one additional death is attributed to them I'd opinion this prisoner exchange a failure.

[Surf n Turf]

Originally Posted by Billy L-bach

Its hard to disassemble a clown show, but let me try...
The "performers" are in fact "clowns" out to entertain the audience. They are covered in bright happy colors with a big smile and a fun likeable demeanor. They do magic tricks, make noise, tell funny stories, and even put on a puppet show every now and then...
...but who in the fuck is the guy underneath of all of that face paint?
They show up in the proverbial "clown car" and pile out in a seemingly endless stream of jesters but how do they get so many clowns it that little bitty car?
...its because the car is gutted on the inside; it is nothing more than a colorful shell stripped of substance on the inside. The clown car only has enough substance to allow the charade to work. Nothing productive can happen inside the car, the performers are all carefully placed, awaiting their turn to pop out and take their turn with the crowd
THERE IS NOTHING FUNNY GOING ON INSIDE THE CLOWN CAR.

Its not funny to the clowns. All of the clowns know the script, all of the clowns know when it is their turn to pop out with their props and do their 'bit'.
Its all business to the clowns.
The clowns are not the main attraction - they are a DIS-TRACTION.
The clowns come in to entertain you while the stage hands clean up the elephant shit. People come in to see the lion tamer, the tightrope walker, and the trapeze artist. The clowns are "filler" to keep you interested while the stage hands clean up (the shit) after each act. The clowns keep your attention while the stage hands set up for the next attraction.
That doesn't change the fact that almost everybody loves clowns. Clowns make you feel happy when you feel down.
Just dont forget, the clown car is not a real car and the smiles that you see are all painted on...
...and the clowns are just there to distract you while the real work is being done in the shadows.
It almost sounds like our government doesn't it. The latest bit of Kabuki theater playing out in the news is nothing more than another act in the THREE ring circus that we call our government...
...and three, coincidentally is how many branches of government we have.

Three rings of government, just like the circus.
"The Greatest Show on Earth"
Bah humbug...

One of the best summations, not just on Bergdahl, but on this whole adventure with Pander Bears and PC magicians entertaining the flotsam and jetsam of the gene pool.

SnT

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by AFHokie

As a former aircrew member Berghdal's return reaffirms the fact my country will never cease recovery efforts. In that regard I'm glad he's on his way home. I'll take Gen Dempsey's remarks at face value that they felt this was the best 'last chance' opportunity to get him back.

If it were me, I'd hope all hostilities had ended and anyone exchanged for me no longer had an opportunity or desire to harm other Americans. However even if/when we leave Afghanistan entirely I doubt we have seen our last fight with the Taliban and certainly haven't with Al Qaeda. Without a definitive ceasefire I'm really not sure what to think of any prisoner exchange. Would we think any different of the exchange if instead of Berghdal the TB had captured Marcus Luttrell (or any soldier clearly captured following a fight) and held him in captivity?

Is it possible to differentiate between his actions leading to his disappearance/desertion and his conduct during captivity? Can they be considered two separate acts? Should they be considered separate? I doubt he's the first soldier in history captured by the other side after deserting. I realize it's a long shot, but what if his conduct and actions after capture are substantiated as honorable? Those are a couple big 'what ifs' and debatable he's returning with honor. He has a lot of convincing to do.

Let's see how long the five Taliban remain in Qatar. If they're picked up off the battlefield again and even one additional death is attributed to them I'd opinion this prisoner exchange a failure.

What sort of stuff you smoking?

Given the opportunity I'd have left this deserter in the hands of who ever for the rest of his piece of shit life. I'd also send over his parents to join him if I could.

Just calling a deserter a "POW" is a spit in the face of every military member past and present.

Good men died looking for this piece of shit, dozens were wounded.

When he gets back on US soil I really hope he suck starts his AK-47........

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by AFHokie

Let's see how long the five Taliban remain in Qatar. If they're picked up off the battlefield again and even one additional death is attributed to them I'd opinion this prisoner exchange a failure.

I suspect you will not need to wait to long.

Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official, Reuters, 5 hours ago: DOHA (Reuters) - Qatar has moved five Afghan Taliban prisoners freed in exchange for a U.S. soldier to a residential compound and will let them move freely in the country, a senior Gulf official said on Tuesday, a step likely to be scrutinized by Washington.
http://news.yahoo.com/qatar-allowing...130028784.html

Traded Taliban leaders free to roam in Middle East? Published June 03, 2014, FoxNews.com: President Obama's claim Tuesday that the U.S. would "be keeping eyes" on five hardened Taliban leaders traded for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's freedom was immediately challenged by a Middle East official quoted as saying they'd actually be allowed to move freely -- and even "go back to Afghanistan if they want to."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...dercuts-obama/

[Noslack71]

Originally Posted by AFHokie

As a former aircrew member Berghdal's return reaffirms the fact my country will never cease recovery efforts. In that regard I'm glad he's on his way home. I'll take Gen Dempsey's remarks at face value that they felt this was the best 'last chance' opportunity to get him back.

If it were me, I'd hope all hostilities had ended and anyone exchanged for me no longer had an opportunity or desire to harm other Americans. However even if/when we leave Afghanistan entirely I doubt we have seen our last fight with the Taliban and certainly haven't with Al Qaeda. Without a definitive ceasefire I'm really not sure what to think of any prisoner exchange. Would we think any different of the exchange if instead of Berghdal the TB had captured Marcus Luttrell (or any soldier clearly captured following a fight) and held him in captivity?

Is it possible to differentiate between his actions leading to his disappearance/desertion and his conduct during captivity? Can they be considered two separate acts? Should they be considered separate? I doubt he's the first soldier in history captured by the other side after deserting. I realize it's a long shot, but what if his conduct and actions after capture are substantiated as honorable? Those are a couple big 'what ifs' and debatable he's returning with honor. He has a lot of convincing to do.

Let's see how long the five Taliban remain in Qatar. If they're picked up off the battlefield again and even one additional death is attributed to them I'd opinion this prisoner exchange a failure.

Too much crew rest and not enough time with trigger pullers!,
This looks like a typical "Kabul Rug Deal" where the ISI and the Haqqani's did the
Talib's work for them and this administration does not care about the cost because it's not their money and they don't have to live with a low quality, counterfeit rug in their house!

Noslack

[Snaquebite]

Surprise Surprise Surprise!

Traded Taliban leaders free to roam in Middle East? Claim undercuts Obama assurance

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...dercuts-obama/

[Streck-Fu]

Rolling Stone doubles down on Bowe's lies: LINK

No other member of his unit corroborates claims Bowe made like running over the child ....So here comes PVT bergdahl, victim of a lack of leadership and guidance rather than a victim of his own parents lack of guidance and discipline.

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by Pete

Instead of them being so smart - did you ever think they could just be that dumb?

Pete, I think you may be correct on that one Bro! You can't make this shit up!!

Fox News is reporting that Bergdahl has renounced his US citizenship. Wow, another clown just jumped out of your clown car Billy.

So let me get this straight, IF this is true, we just traded a 5 high value prisoners for a deserter that has renounced his citizenship?

Yes, Susan Rice, Bowe served honorably??? Oh sure, there is that desertion thing, and maybe the citizenship renouncing thing??? OK, OK ,but it must have been the anti-muslim video that has him all confused.

You really, really can't make this shit up!

[PRB]

Trap,
I'm pretty sure Susan Rice is actually Baghdad Bob after a sex change....

[Snaquebite]

Fox News is reporting that Bergdahl has renounced his US citizenship.

If indeed true, grant his wish. Revoke his US citizenship and throw his ass in Gitmo. Karma.

[orion5]

Medic from Bergdahl's team is taking questions, if you want to ask anything:

Joshua Cornelison
@JM_Cornelison

[15:25 CST] "Again, if anyone has any questions or comments or anything they want clarified. I'll be more than happy to answer anything I can."