Armistice Day, November 11, 1918 + 100 Years.

[JimP]

The war never really ended - we are still embroiled in it in the ME due to the Sykes-Picot (?) Treaty in which Britain carved up the kingdoms of Iraq; Iran; etc. We're still paying the price for the way the war "ended."

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by JimP

The war never really ended - we are still embroiled in it in the ME due to the Sykes-Picot (?) Treaty in which Britain carved up the kingdoms of Iraq; Iran; etc. We're still paying the price for the way the war "ended."

So correct and following up with the Marshall Plan, the League of Nations and ultimately the UN the embodiment of destructive financial and societal policies that have continued to pit one group of people against another.

[Golf1echo]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

So correct and following up with the Marshall Plan, the League of Nations and ultimately the UN the embodiment of destructive financial and societal policies that have continued to pit one group of people against another.

The tendency is to look forward, seldom backwards at what the ramifications of that effort might be...



...Something in all that reminds me of the last administration.

Today as every 11/11 I think of Ted, one of two survivors in his Combat Engineer company. In the book he gave me all the casuallties in the Argoone were listed...

[Old Dog New Trick]

In the age of Trump you knew this had to go political.

AP headline: Macron, world leaders rebuke 'nationalism' at World War I event attended by Trump

French President Emmanuel Macron, who has criticized Trump's "America First" foreign policy, used his speech to decry*excessive "nationalism" at the root of the First World War and succeeding conflicts.

"Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism," Macron told a gathering of world leaders that ranged from Russian President Vladimir Putin to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, as well as Trump.

I wonder if the irony is lost on the French and the world leaders in attendance that holding the ceremony at the Arc de Triomphe is akin to acknowledging Nepoleon’s quest to rule the world? Also that without US involvement in the outcome of the war there would not have been an armistice ending the war as it ended and Germany would likely have ruled most all of Europe.

Why not hold the ceremony at say Redonthes where the armistice was signed?

[Sdiver]

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place: and in the sky
The larks still bravely singing fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the dead: Short days ago,
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved: and now we lie
In Flanders fields!

Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from failing hands, we throw
The torch: be yours to hold it high
If ye break faith with us who die,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields

[Joker]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

In the age of Trump you knew this had to go political.

AP headline: Macron, world leaders rebuke 'nationalism' at World War I event attended by Trump



I wonder if the irony is lost on the French and the world leaders in attendance that holding the ceremony at the Arc de Triomphe is akin to acknowledging Nepoleon’s quest to rule the world? Also that without US involvement in the outcome of the war there would not have been an armistice ending the war as it ended and Germany would likely have ruled most all of Europe.

Why not hold the ceremony at say Redonthes where the armistice was signed?

My note to Moron, uh Marcon, the short definition of patriotism is the love for or devotion to one's country, and nationalism is the loyalty and devotion to a nation.

Pretty much the same thing. Wanting the best for your country if other friendly countries benefit, well that is fine as long as it doesn't cost us anything.

[Guymullins]

Originally Posted by Joker

My note to Moron, uh Marcon, the short definition of patriotism is the love for or devotion to one's country, and nationalism is the loyalty and devotion to a nation.

Pretty much the same thing. Wanting the best for your country if other friendly countries benefit, well that is fine as long as it doesn't cost us anything.

Taking moral advice, much less military advice, from the French is like taking skiing lessons from Haiti.

[PSM]

This is pretty damn cool: Polish Salute to the U.S.