Pedophile State

[Lthrnck1775]

...I'm inclined to believe Jo Pa is a better guy than the furor is alluding to. (Hell i want to believe SOMEone is still a standup coach anymore). I'll wait til it all comes out in the wash. We have NO idea exactly what the Grad Asst told JoPa he saw.... if it was a generic "something inappropriate" accusation from a Grad Asst against his former def. coord..... he reported it up the chain. Was he supposed to file a police report on heresay? JoPa is claiming nothing as specific as the Grand Jury accusations was conveyed to him at the time. I'm baffled how a 28? yr old Grad Asst could witness a CRIME and not stop it....

I question why the Mom and or Grad Asst did not call the cops? There is some inferring in some of the stories that the Mother DID resport this... if so - HOW did it "go away" for 10+ years? I'm baffled... there has to be more to this!

Pending judgement until the intel is in.....

[Bill Harsey]

For those who doubt this might not be serious, close your office door, turn off all other media and read this Sandusky Grand Jury Report:
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...resentment.pdf

Smells like a probable cover up to me, Head Football Coach included.

[Bill Harsey]

Originally Posted by craigepo

This could get interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sp...&smid=fb-share

Thanks for posting, I'd read that. Most interesting.

[Streck-Fu]

Originally Posted by Bill Harsey

For those who doubt this might not be serious, close your office door, turn off all other media and read this Sandusky Grand Jury Report:
http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...resentment.pdf

Smells like a probable cover up to me, Head Football Coach included.

This whole thing is disgusting. Everyone that had a hint of this going on needs to be jail.

This defies logic and call into question the very character of everyone involved. Who the hell could just let this go by telling someone up the chain of command?

How the hell does the GA witness this and not knock the teeth out Sandusky upon walking into the locker....Gee, an former assistant that operates a children's charity is sodomizing a kid in my team shower....I better tell the coach... F--- him, he should eat a shotgun tonight for dinner.

Joe Pa has carefully built a reputation of developing young men into moral and ethical adults where character is paramount. The grand jury just threw a huge bullshit flag on everything he claimed to be.

A lot of people need to go to prison for this.....allegedly...

[Sigaba]

In 1998, Paterno donated $3.5 million dollars to Penn State for academic purposes <<LINK>>. In no small part due to Paterno's commitment to the notion that athletic and academic excellence are not incompatible goals, a wing of a Penn State library bears his name <<LINK2>>.

@Lthrnck1775 IMO, it is difficult to understand why Paterno never asked a follow up question. Metaphorically, if someone were to tell you that they saw a life-threatening flaw at a construction project you were managing, would you just pass along the information? Or would you also go and see for yourself and ask some follow up questions?

[Susa]

Paterno is hardly being reprimanded for his despicable inaction regarding this case. His contract was up at the end of this season anyways. All the bastards involved in this deserve to be punished. From the 28 yr. old grown man "grad student" to Paterno himself. The victims were 10 and 11 year old children.

[akv]

Originally Posted by Craigepo

This could get interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sp...&smid=fb-share

Yes, and darker by the minute.

[Sigaba]

Source is here.

Penn State trustees oust football coach, president

By Genaro C. Armas

STATE COLLEGE, Pa.

Penn State trustees fired football coach Joe Paterno and university president Graham Spanier (SPAN<-yer) amid the growing furor over how the school handled sex abuse allegations against an assistant coach.

The massive shakeup Wednesday night came hours after Paterno announced that he planned to retire at the end of his 46th season.

But the outcry following the arrest of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky on molestation charges proved too much for the board to ignore.

One key question has been why Paterno and other top school officials didn't go to police in 2002 after being told a graduate assistant saw Sandusky assaulting a boy in a school shower.

Paterno says he should have done more. Spanier has said he was not told the details of the attack.

Sandusky has denied the charges.

The balance of this breaking story is available at the link above.

[Oldrotorhead]

Originally Posted by Lthrnck1775

...I'm inclined to believe Jo Pa is a better guy than the furor is alluding to. (Hell i want to believe SOMEone is still a standup coach anymore). I'll wait til it all comes out in the wash. We have NO idea exactly what the Grad Asst told JoPa he saw.... if it was a generic "something inappropriate" accusation from a Grad Asst against his former def. coord..... he reported it up the chain. Was he supposed to file a police report on heresay? JoPa is claiming nothing as specific as the Grand Jury accusations was conveyed to him at the time. I'm baffled how a 28? yr old Grad Asst could witness a CRIME and not stop it....

I question why the Mom and or Grad Asst did not call the cops? There is some inferring in some of the stories that the Mother DID resport this... if so - HOW did it "go away" for 10+ years? I'm baffled... there has to be more to this!

Pending judgement until the intel is in.....

This grad student was 28 years old. He was 28 years old, at what age do you thinks someone would have to be not to have to ask dad what to do. Most of the people in the Military are independent, self reliant and would have made a quick decision about what to do and would not have gone home to daddy to get bad advice.
Paterno is just as bad. I guess he was worried about his team and his reputation and not some 10 year old kid that already had a sucky life.
The little 6' 200 pound grad student and his stupid father deserve ridicule as does Paterno.
As a side point does the University Police Department do anything but issue parking tickets? A 40+ member police department had more than a decade to work this out and with a better outcome. Penn State now makes Miami and Ohio football programs look really good.

In short this went on for a decade because Penn State and Joe Paterno wanted to protect the University from bad PR and keep the money from the Alum.'s rolling in. They didn't care how many under privileged little kids had to pay for the "Glory of Penn State football."

[Oldrotorhead]

Originally Posted by cbtengr

Joe did what he was supposed to do in the beginning which was to move this up the his chain of command, I am guessing he did not figure they were gonna bury it, which in the end may be his downfall. However if he goes down then the assistant who originally reported it ti him has to be on the hook too, and who knows how many others. Hindsight is always 20/20 and I am guessing that had Joe had it to do all over again he would have pursued this more vigorously. I personally do not think he should be the fall guy.

Joe Paterno is a civilian as am I. I do not have a chain of command and I don't have to ask any boss's permission to go to the police if something like this happens, nor would I ask permission. No one including Paterno did the honoragle thing by making sure Sandusky was arrested for his behavior.

[DJ Urbanovsky]

Some people care more about self preservation than they do about doing what's right.

Maybe somebody told old Joe to keep his mouth shut or his career was over.

Maybe somebody told old Joe to keep his mouth shut or he would be over.

Old Joe likes coaching a winning team at a major university.

Old Joe likes money and prestige.

Old Joe likes getting the best table in the place when he goes out to eat.

Old Joe likes his Mercedes Benz.

Old Joe likes living.

I don't know diddly about Old Joe. But I know that wrong, disgusting situations like this happen all the time. Because there's evil out in the world.

[Lthrnck1775]

@ Sigaba

My main issue is that there are "allegations" and an "indictments" so far... yet everyone claims to already KNOW what JoePa knew and when.... also no one knows HOW this Grad Asst conveyed the info that he witnessed - and THAT guy still has a job??? WTF?

I do agree that it LOOKS like everyone dropped the ball, did no follow up, or worse deliberately buried it..... but it seems everyone already KNOWS all the answers.

I would fault everyone for not insuring that the Grad Asst went to the police FIRST.

Lingering questions: Why is the Grad Asst exempt from all this - as a first hand WITNESS!? Where is the mother/father of the boys police report and investigation? Why did EVERYONE ignore the 2002 "shower incident" for 9 YEARS?

Just seems the lynch mob wants eveyone's (oops, i mean only JoePa's) blood first, ask questions later.

[Sacamuelas]

Joe IS the top of the chain of command at Pedophile state. THis happened in the football locker room,etc. It was a football coach. It was a football GA that eyewitnessed the event. It was JOE that was told about it. He LET this go on for years after with no followup. In his written statement, He ADMITTED that he feels guilty,etc and feels sorry for the victims BUT after retirement he will focus his efforts on helping the UNIVERSITY????

Good gawd... I wish I could perform a little chuck norris justice on each and every one of these gutless, self preserving enablers.

To those of you that feel sorry for Joe.... I must admit that I "feel" less respect for you too. From a person that lives and breathes college football, F#$k football... this is about those kids (victims). I could care less about football legacy.

Originally Posted by Buffalobob

Great Post!!!

They make big money and contribute nothing to society.

Tell that to the young men and women who have the opportunity to play college sports and earn a degree. Tell that to the 40, 50, 60, 70, and 80 year olds that played for them. They are educators, mentors, and father figures who help shape the lives of our future generations.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Sacamuelas

Joe IS the top of the chain of command at Pedophile state. THis happened in the football locker room,etc. It was a football coach. It was a football GA that eyewitnessed the event. It was JOE that was told about it. He LET this go on for years after with no followup. In his written statement, He ADMITTED that he feels guilty,etc and feels sorry for the victims BUT after retirement he will focus his efforts on helping the UNIVERSITY????

Good gawd... I wish I could perform a little chuck norris justice on each and every one of these gutless, self preserving enablers.

To those of you that feel sorry for Joe.... I must admit that I "feel" less respect for you too. From a person that lives and breathes college football, F#$k football... this is about those kids (victims). I could care less about football legacy.

You're absolutely right,it's certainly difficult to defend his lack of action...... My son works for Penn State as the Director of Sales in their book dept(University Press)........ He introduce me to Joe at a fund raiser about 10 years ago,I'll be posting his comments from his FB.............

Big Teddy