05-19-2010, 09:45
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Here we go.....AZ vs LA the threats begin
An LA blackout on the horizon? Economic War between the states? And what will King O, Napolitano, Holder and the DoE do about it?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...yback-boycott/
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FOXNews.com
- May 19, 2010
Arizona Official Threatens to Cut Off Los Angeles Power as Payback for Boycott
A member of Arizona's top government utilities agency threw down the gauntlet in a letter to Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, threatening to cut off the city's power supply as retribution for the city's boycott of Arizona.
If Los Angeles wants to boycott Arizona, it had better get used to reading by candlelight.
That's the message from a member of Arizona's top government utilities agency, who threw down the gauntlet Tuesday in a letter to Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa by threatening to cut off the city's power supply as retribution.
Gary Pierce, a commissioner on the Arizona Corporation Commission, wrote the letter in response to the Los Angeles City Council's decision last week to boycott the Grand Canyon State -- in protest of its immigration law -- by suspending official travel there and ending future contracts with state businesses.
Noting that a quarter of Los Angeles' electricity comes from Arizona power plants, Pierce threatened to pull the plug if the City Council does not reconsider. He also ridiculed Villaraigosa for saying that the point of the boycott was to "send a message" by severing the "resources and ties" they share.
"I received your message; please receive mine. As a statewide elected member of the Arizona Corporation Commission overseeing Arizona's electric and water utilities, I too am keenly aware of the 'resources and ties' we share with the city of Los Angeles," Pierce wrote.
"If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation."
Appearing to tap into local frustration in Arizona over the raft of boycotts and threatened boycotts from cities across the country, including Los Angeles, Pierce warned that Arizona companies are willing and ready to fight boycott with boycott.
"I am confident that Arizona's utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands," Pierce wrote. "If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona's economy."
Arizona has some serious leverage over Los Angeles, as well as the rest of California. The state and city get electricity from a nuclear power plant outside Phoenix, as well as from coal-fired power plants in northern Arizona and two giant hydroelectric power generators along the Colorado River.
Despite that, the Los Angeles City Council voted overwhelmingly last week to ban future business with Arizona -- a decision that could cost Arizona millions of dollars in lost contracts.
Los Angeles officials were furious with the Arizona immigration law passed last month and joined local officials in cities across the country in pushing boycotts to register their dismay. Critics say the law will lead to racial profiling and civil rights abuses.
Arizona officials have defended the law, saying the state needed to take its illegal immigration problem into its own hands.
The law requires local law enforcement to try to verify the immigration status of anyone they have contact with whom they suspect of being an illegal immigrant. It empowers them to turn over verified illegal immigrants to federal custody. The legislation explicitly prohibits screening people based solely on race or national origin.
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Here's part Arizona Corporation Commission member Gary Pierce's letter to the mayor:
If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation.
I am confident that Arizona’s utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands. If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona’s economy.
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05-19-2010, 09:46
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05-19-2010, 09:50
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Please cut off the power Arizona. While your at it, cut off the water Nevada. LA ia a sh-t hole excuse for a city.
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05-19-2010, 09:54
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AZ should do it....edit: however the economic loss to the utility companies woudl be substantial and probably non sustainable.
I also liked the idea that I heard about bussing illegals to San Francisco.
I would think that if private donations are used and the illegals "volunteer" then there shouldn't be a problem. The first batch should be sent by charter bus and get dropped off right in front of city hall.
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05-19-2010, 10:12
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AZ should do it....edit:
however the economic loss to the utility companies would be substantial and probably non sustainable.
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I am not "ecumenically power-grid infused",, but I think the power LA gets can be redirected to other more friendly users on the grid??
So could the water..
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05-19-2010, 10:38
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How do you spell lack of leadership in Washington?
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05-19-2010, 10:38
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How do you spell lack of leadership in Washington?
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I think it starts with an O.
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05-19-2010, 11:04
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I am not "ecumenically power-grid infused",, but I think the power LA gets can be redirected to other more friendly users on the grid??
So could the water..
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If the utilities companies are operating at 100% of capacity and still have people willing to buy power from them than they can effectively tell LA to drop dead. If the contracts with LA is what is keeping them at or near 100% of capacity than it is an empty threat.
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05-19-2010, 11:16
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Looking at this long-term, could this mushroom into something much bigger? Civil wars have to start somewhere.
Is it conceivable that this spitting contest turns into something more?
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05-19-2010, 11:22
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Looking at this long-term, could this mushroom into something much bigger? Civil wars have to start somewhere.
Is it conceivable that this spitting contest turns into something more?
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Don't even get into the potential for "Water Wars" out west......
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05-19-2010, 11:27
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Looking at this long-term, could this mushroom into something much bigger? Civil wars have to start somewhere.
Is it conceivable that this spitting contest turns into something more?
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The up side is that any "violence" would not last long as the socialists don't believe in "individual" gun ownership. 
I'd like to see Arizona shut the border and turn off LA lights. LA would dissolve into anarchy in a matter of hours.
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05-19-2010, 11:59
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Please cut off the power Arizona. While your at it, cut off the water Nevada. LA ia a sh-t hole excuse for a city.
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Watch it!
I guess you haven't made to 00:51 of this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b5Lz...eature=related
I LOVE LA! did you miss 02:38 too?
I LOVE LA!!!
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05-19-2010, 12:10
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
The up side is that any "violence" would not last long as the socialists don't believe in "individual" gun ownership.
I'd like to see Arizona shut the border and turn off LA lights. LA would dissolve into anarchy in a matter of hours. |
I'd give it 15 mins after the power is off for the riots to start. All he surrounding counties of LA own and operate guns and do not like LA. Let it burn IMO.
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05-19-2010, 12:58
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Boy, is that an old video! I saw an oil pump in it.
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05-19-2010, 13:38
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Isn't shutting off the electricity or water to a whole city like LA (something like ten million people in LA county I think?) rather extreme though?
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Naaaahhhh! I read somewhere that AZ only supplies 25% of LA's power. Turning that off has the potential to be even more interesting than cutting all of it (from a technical aspect [CARVER]). Just think how much more long term damage, especially to the information infrastructure, can be done with brownouts, cascading failures, and surges as the grid attempts to adjust.
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