Vick is back - Page 2

ZonieDiver · 08-14-2009, 13:35

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Originally Posted by SF_BHT

I really have to question your judgment if you think this is good. He has only repented because he is wanting to get the $$$ back into the bank. He would have never stopped if he did not get caught.

I also question the NFL's decision to let him back in. I think this sends a bad message to all. They should ban him like baseball did to Pete Rose. it would get their attention and people would think twice about this type of behavior.

Just my 2 cents

I had hoped Vic was being sarcastic about Vick. Perhaps not.

I've given up on the NFL, and not just because I have lived in Arizona with the pathetic Cardinals all these years. Vick is the tip of a very rotten iceberg (I know, bad analogy). We have Matt Leinart here - paid millions to carry a clipboard and not shave, while backing up a former grocery store stock clerk who was originally deemed not good enough for the NFL. Prior to last season, Leinart spent his time "entertaining" 19 year olds in bikinis with a hot tub and a beer bong! What a guy.

I'd rather watch Pop Warner!

longrange1947 · 08-14-2009, 14:04

I gave up on the Pro games period since the players started receiving so much money that the average dad can't take a family of four to the game more than once in a lifetime. The players now worry about getting hurt more than the game and act as if the world owes them something.

No, Vic needs to be put in a cage with a lion and see how it is to be torn apart for sport.

I have no use for him nor any of the primadonnas that play football, baseball or basketball and feel they can spit on refs, kick photographers, or break the law with impunity.

Screw them.

Vic, I really hope you were being sarcastic because, if you were not and you are truely glad the jerk is back playing football, then you will find that you are probably in need of a recheck of head space and timing.

echoes · 08-14-2009, 15:13

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Originally Posted by longrange1947

I gave up on the Pro games period since the players started receiving so much money that the average dad can't take a family of four to the game more than once in a lifetime. The players now worry about getting hurt more than the game and act as if the world owes them something.

No, Vic needs to be put in a cage with a lion and see how it is to be torn apart for sport.

I have no use for him nor any of the primadonnas that play football, baseball or basketball and feel they can spit on refs, kick photographers, or break the law with impunity.

Screw them.

Very well said!!!

I was raised on college ball for this very reason, and now as an adult, I understand the principle behind it.

Have also read that those who would beat innocent puppies, would also beat....

Holly

SF_BHT · 08-14-2009, 15:45

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Originally Posted by ZonieDiver

I had hoped Vic was being sarcastic about Vick. Perhaps not.

I've given up on the NFL, and not just because I have lived in Arizona with the pathetic Cardinals all these years. Vick is the tip of a very rotten iceberg (I know, bad analogy). We have Matt Leinart here - paid millions to carry a clipboard and not shave, while backing up a former grocery store stock clerk who was originally deemed not good enough for the NFL. Prior to last season, Leinart spent his time "entertaining" 19 year olds in bikinis with a hot tub and a beer bong! What a guy.

I'd rather watch Pop Warner!

Well if he was he should have put

there. If not statement stands... Vic should be treated just like he did the dogs.

**Peregrino** · 08-14-2009, 21:12

Another example of how morally bankrupt the entertainment industry is. Glad to see that my peers/associates agree.

Dozer523 · 08-14-2009, 22:02

Yo Vic! What thread you gonna start with your twentieth post?

Maybe something about how Adolph Hitler was misquoted?

Welcome to the wonderful world of PS.COM!

**Bill Harsey** · 08-15-2009, 17:46

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Originally Posted by Dozer523

Yo Vic! What thread you gonna start with your twentieth post?

Maybe something about how Adolph Hitler was misquoted?

Welcome to the wonderful world of PS.COM!

Dozer523,
All our Vic did was state an opinion. Some could argue (I wouldn't) that the dog fighter has paid his price and has the right to move on with his career.

Vic · 08-15-2009, 19:23

There was some sarcasm there perhaps, however, he is very talented and I had just watched a highlight reel of him, and I was at awe the whole time. He has done things on the field that nobody has done before, and he has probably changed the game, and might still show our more. It seems people were just so righteous about the whole thing. I had a pit bull once, and cared for her and would never have put her in a cage to fight, but she was just a dog to me in the end. It is sick what he did, but many of our vices are. He gave up a substantial amount of his life to pay his dues, and I think it is safe to say he will never be involved with dog fighting again.

For an aside, if he would have been conducting his fighting ring in Wyoming it would have just been a misdemeanor for the state charge. I think we rushed threw some legislation since.

**The Reaper** · 08-15-2009, 19:34

I think being an apologist for someone who did what Vick did is a very slippery slope.

A sports figure who strays as far outside the law and who shows such a callous disregard for domestic animals as he did is hardly someone I want my kids watching and being offered up as some sort of hero or role model.

If the NFL continues to allow these thugs and criminals to work, they could suffer a pretty severe public backlash.

You do realize that animal torture is one of the key indicators of psychopathic behavior, do you not?

TR

Richard · 08-15-2009, 20:11

All this is why I so enjoy high school athletics - and marginally follow college and pro-sports.

Richard

longrange1947 · 08-15-2009, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Vic

There was some sarcasm there perhaps, however, he is very talented and I had just watched a highlight reel of him, and I was at awe the whole time. He has done things on the field that nobody has done before, and he has probably changed the game, and might still show our more................

I doubt very seriously that he has done things that have not been done before. I highly recommend that you watch some old games of football when players actually played the sport and not the contract. Go back to the darks ages of 60s, 70s, and 80s. Before multi million dollar contracts when they played hard and serious football. I believe you will be fairly impressed.

I, for one, can not believe they have let him back on the field.

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but she was just a dog to me in the end

Vic did not even feel that. And, IMHO, just because it was a misdemeanor in your state does not lessen the seriousness of the original crime.

Sigaba · 08-15-2009, 20:56

I understand that different cultural sensibilities in America can inform one's views of dog fighting. (FWIW, I consider the activity profoundly unpleasant.)

IMO, Mr. Vick's sexual torture of his animals is the core issue. At best, the practice reflected self-destructive judgment by impoverished spirit. At worst, I can only wonder how long it would have been (or still might be) before Mr. Vick changed (changes) his focus from canines to people?

Professional athletes are not in the business of being role models. But as a fan, how could one count on a guy to try his best when he's already demonstrated the willingness to make terrible decisions?

In regards to Mr. Vick's exploits on the field, as Longrange1947 points out, he's not the first nor last word in running quarterbacks. At this point, I'd say something complimentary about Steve Young <<LINK>> but for the fact that he kicked the tar out of the Cowboys in the 1994 NFC championship game. (Oh, yeah, I'm bitter.)

Vic · 08-15-2009, 21:58

That is some pretty heavy psychopathic behavior he was into. And the reaper is right, there does need to be some public backlash against the thug culture in professional sports. I just love football and am exited for another season. And I have Vick on my fantasy team, because I think he will still produce. I do not mean to sound like an apologist for him, especially his off the field conduct. He is not a roll model for kids; in fact he is the opposite. The game has seemed to take a turn for the worst in that regard lately, and I would like to see it cleaned up as much as anyone. And even besides that, the things he did were unthinkable. I went back and read some of the details, and that is one sick bastard who would do those things.

Stras · 08-16-2009, 11:58

Hell, I just banned the Eagles from my TV viewing for at least this season. Screw them.

The Cowboys at least woke up and gave pink tickets to Pacman Jones and T.O.

I would have offered Vick a good job working minimum wage at GITMO.

I know that sex offenders have to register when they move into a community, would be nice if this would also apply in his case.

I know that if he comes near my dogs exactly what would happen....

Personally, I think that Pete Rose has served his pennance. Let the man into the Hall of Fame.

Saoirse · 08-16-2009, 13:32

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Originally Posted by The Reaper

I think being an apologist for someone who did what Vick did is a very slippery slope.

A sports figure who strays as far outside the law and who shows such a callous disregard for domestic animals as he did is hardly someone I want my kids watching and being offered up as some sort of hero or role model.

If the NFL continues to allow these thugs and criminals to work, they could suffer a pretty severe public backlash.

You do realize that animal torture is one of the key indicators of psychopathic behavior, do you not?

TR

TR....thanks for saying what I was thinking as I was reading this thread.

Vic... you may or may not be an apologist and just another football fanatic but the systematic abuse and killings of animals is just as heinous as when it is done to people.
I watched the news footage when that whole thing unraveled and I also watched the special that Dogtown (NTGeo) did when they adopted the "survivors". The look of trauma in a dog's eyes is just as visible and heartwrenching as in a human's eyes.

What this two minute clip didn't tell you was that 4 dogs will end up living out there lives in this sanctuary, one female was so severly traumatized by abuse and rape, two males will not allow themselves to be touched and become extremely aggressive....but hey, "in the end, they are just dogs" right!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIkfY...eature=channel

Continual promotion of the thuglife and apologist BS in the NFL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o77co...eature=related
MV should have served MORE time, should NOT be allowed to play pro ball again and should have to do a LARGE amount of time working at shelters for FREE!
Yeah, these are the kind of guys we should all hope our kids look up to and endeavor to be like.