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Old 04-06-2015, 23:00   #1
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Question Feds Consider Puerto Ricans Disabled Because They Speak Spanish

Now I have heard everything. WTF is the SSA thinking.
Guess All of Latin America is Disabled True government Bureaucrats. Guess they need more Democrats so they need to give away more free money. Guess when they start giving the Illegals status they can get SS Benefits for being disabled. Just another reason not to learn English when they come here.

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Feds Consider Puerto Ricans Disabled Because They Speak Spanish
95 percent of Puerto Ricans speak Spanish


BY: Elizabeth Harrington

April 6, 2015 2:25 pm

The Social Security Administration (SSA) approved disability benefits for hundreds of Puerto Ricans because they do not speak English, despite the fact that Puerto Rico is a predominantly Spanish-speaking territory.

According to a new audit by the Office of Inspector General (OIG), the agency is misapplying rules that are intended to provide financial assistance to individuals who are illiterate or cannot speak English in the United States. Under the rules, Puerto Ricans are allowed to receive disability benefits for their inability to speak English as well.

“We found the Agency did not make exceptions regarding the English-language grid rules for claimants who reside in Puerto Rico, even though Spanish is the predominant language spoken in the local economy,” the OIG said.

The audit said a person applying for disability in Puerto Rico who cannot speak English “may increase his/her likelihood of receiving disability benefits.”

The agency does not currently have a system in place to keep track of the number of beneficiaries who receive disability insurance for not being able to speak English.

However, the OIG was able to identify 218 cases between 2011 and 2013 where Puerto Ricans were awarded disability due to “an inability to communicate in English.” Furthermore, 4 percent of disability hearings in Puerto Rico involved looking at the individual’s ability to speak, read, write, and understand English.

Though 95 percent of Puerto Ricans speak Spanish at home, according to the rules a Spanish-speaking nurse in Puerto Rico would be considered “unskilled,” the OIG said.

The SSA told the OIG that the rules are applied one-size-fits-all.

“SSA managers at various disability decision levels stated Social Security is a national program, and the grids must be applied to the national economy, regardless of local conditions,” the audit said.

The SSA takes into account an individual’s education level when considering awarding disability benefits if they do not qualify for medical reasons. Part of the education requirement involves looking at a person’s ability to speak English, to determine whether it limits his ability to find a job.

Last year Sen. Jeff Sessions (R., Ala.) raised concerns that the Obama administration was broadly applying the education rule under the Social Security Act to allow individuals to receive disability payments solely because they cannot speak English.

He noted that the Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) rolls swelled 230 percent between 2000 and 2010, while the U.S. population only grew 9.7 percent.

Former SSA judges have also testified that individuals have been approved for disability in the United States without having to prove they cannot speak English.

The hundreds of Puerto Ricans noted in the OIG’s report have received disability insurance despite a 1987 U.S. District Court ruling that appears to contradict the SSA’s policy. Benefits were denied on the grounds that “it is the ability to communicate in Spanish, not English, that is vocationally important in Puerto Rico.”

“It should be noted, however, that the court explicitly declined to apply this rationale outside of this one case,” the OIG said.

The SSA agreed with the OIG’s recommendations to figure out how many individuals have been “awarded disability based on their inability to communicate in English,” and to “evaluate the appropriateness” of applying the English-speaking rules to Puerto Rico.

The SSA is currently gathering information for a proposed regulation that “could lead to changes” to the English-speaking rule, the agency said.

“Specifically, we are soliciting public comments and supporting research on how the inability to communicate in English affects an individual’s ability to adjust to other work that exists in the national economy,” the SSA said.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/feds-co...speak-spanish/
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Old 04-07-2015, 00:02   #2
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Old 04-07-2015, 06:12   #4
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Old 04-07-2015, 06:17   #6
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Next we will read that government employees are driving down city streets throwing bundles of money out their car windows every Monday,Wednesday, and Friday to aid the "impoverished" -- whomever they deem that to be that week.
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It actually sounds to me as if the existant rules had been applied for 218 cases in Puerto Rico during the years 2011-2013 and, upon review, are now under further scrutiny to determine if they had been misapplied with a recommendation that a revision may be necessary.

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Findings

SSA has applied the medical-vocational guidelines nationally and does not make exceptions for claimants who reside in Puerto Rico where both Spanish and English are the official languages. The guidelines assume individuals who are unable to communicate in English are limited in their ability to find a job in the regional or national economy where English is the predominant language, even though residents of Puerto Rico may be able to find local work with
their Spanish-speaking skills.

While the Agency had incomplete management information on claimants allowed using the grid rules related to an inability to communicate in English, we identified 218 cases in Puerto Rico from Fiscal Years 2011 to 2013 where disability determination services used the aforementioned grid rules to grant benefits.

Moreover, about 4 percent of the hearings we sampled involved these same grid rules.

SSA is preparing to issue an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on the need to update the medical-vocational guidelines. This process should lead to changes in how the Agency considers factors that may affect a claimant’s ability to adjust to other work in the economy. SSA may also want to review other interpretations of the grid rules. For example, a U.S. District Court’s earlier judgment, upheld by a U.S. Court of Appeals, found that, for the most part, it is the ability to communicate in Spanish, not English, that is vocationally important in Puerto Rico.

Recommendations

1. Capture the number of beneficiaries awarded disability based on their inability to communicate in English.

2. Evaluate the appropriateness of the grid rules related to an inability to communicate in English when determining eligibility for disability benefits in circumstances such as those we identified in our audit.

The Agency agreed with our recommendations.

http://oig.ssa.gov/sites/default/fil...2-13-13062.pdf
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After living there and going over every KM of the island working I can tell you it is not their inability to speak English but lack of desire to learn English. The majority feel that they are Puertorican not American until you cut off the passport and free federal hand outs.

The article was so funny I started to put it in the Humor section but it so pissed me off that they had actually paid people funds.
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After living there and going over every KM of the island working I can tell you it is not their inability to speak English but lack of desire to learn English. The majority feel that they are Puertorican not American until you cut off the passport and free federal handouts.

The article was so funny I started to put it in the Humor section but it so pissed me off that they had actually paid people funds.
Cutoff that Class VI and see what happens...

BTW...If ever want to see some racist shit? Put PR & Mexicans on the same construction site...
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ha

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Hablo el Espanol. Donde esta' mi pinchi cheque?
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Old 04-07-2015, 08:33   #12
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IIRC, all schools in PR teach mandatory English classes.

Some choose to pretend that they do not speak it, but if they have to to get something they want, you will find that they speak English pretty well.

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I think I'm the one disabled since I have to press 1 for English and you know how hard it is to press 1.
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Old 04-07-2015, 19:20   #14
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IIRC, all schools in PR teach mandatory English classes.

Some choose to pretend that they do not speak it, but if they have to to get something they want, you will find that they speak English pretty well.

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Personally, have worked with quite a few, and I luv folks from PR! They are hard working, sentimental, and have a true love of their heritage. I can be kind of a softie when it comes to the accent....

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as an afterthought...
...this in no way (in my opinion) is an issue of Puerto Rican disability or the willingness / unwillingness to learn or not learn English

It just another snapshot of shoddy American government and the thinly veiled attempt at using political blow jobs to pay off their campaign donation debts. They have already been bought and paid for and shit like this is just routine customer service. No reason to get upset, its just business as usual.

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