07-20-2020, 20:27
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July looks pretty normal doesn’t it?
Just imagine if the Governor’s for NY, NJ, WA, and CT hadn’t sent all those Covid-19 patients back to their LTC clinics to kill everyone? I am so tired of reading reports where states (US) and counties like Italy and Spain and now Brazil could have done more to protect an aging population.
Sweden, Germany and the Netherlands may still have some explaining to do but France has also lost the battle with regard to controlling the disease.
Wish the media would report facts instead of “will this hurt Trump? yes...run with it!”
I’m also tired of Dr. Fauci, he’s flip flopped more than Mitt Romney on whether he’s a Republican or a Democrat in waiting. Dr Fauci seeks the limelight of a camera and a microphone to walk back everything he’s once said.
The whole “mask thing” is a sham and it costing people their lives.
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07-20-2020, 21:23
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If cloth masks are so effective, why is it that whenever I go to the VA or local hospitals around here they make you leave your cloth mask in the car and give you a coated paper surgical mask to wear inside their facility?
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07-20-2020, 21:48
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Originally Posted by Razor
If cloth masks are so effective, why is it that whenever I go to the VA or local hospitals around here they make you leave your cloth mask in the car and give you a coated paper surgical mask to wear inside their facility?
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Which is only good for about 20-minutes because breathing warm moist air destroys it in that time and should be destroyed. Ask a doctor why they have them replaced during a surgical procedure every 20-minutes?
Your cloth mask is basically worthless for protection.
If you were a virus and a nasal passage would you prefer a continuous warm moist environment or a continuous exchange of fresh dry air?
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07-21-2020, 00:30
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It's odd that during this, the worse plague since the Black Plague, we don't have to dispose of masks or gloves in biohazard waste containers or burn them.
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07-21-2020, 02:51
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I agree with you 100%. How much of this material already floats in the sea and no one thinks that masks / gloves need to be ironed!
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07-21-2020, 03:06
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I agree with you 100%. How much of this material already floats in the sea and no one thinks that masks / gloves need to be ironed!
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Kusya, your first post is in the wrong place.
Comply with the board rules or your visit here will be short.
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07-21-2020, 11:54
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As for the masks, many states, perhaps most, have laws against protesting while wearing a mask. This was in response to KKK parades and rallies in the past. But now that Antifa and BLM are the ones causing problems, masks are mandatory.
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07-21-2020, 11:56
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Originally Posted by Airbornelawyer
OK, now we have something from the CDC for the US. The attached graph is the weekly number of deaths, from all causes, from January 1, 2017 to the week ending July 4, 2020. With the caveat that data for recent weeks may be incomplete, the trendline is pretty clear. Also worth noting is the spike for the 2017-18 flu season.
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Looks like if we took away the excess deaths caused by the actions of dimocrap governors the graph would be fairly normal.
Then again...it's hard to trust the CDC's numbers since they've obfuscated data so much.
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07-23-2020, 17:11
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So...if you are on Federal property you don't need to mask up? Can't get it/spread it? More do as I say, not as I do.
"The order does not apply to “any employees of the federal government while they are on duty.” That description would appear to exclude President Donald Trump and members of Congress from the mask requirement while working.
D.C. officials said the mask requirement can’t be enforced on federal property."
https://time.com/5870298/dc-mayor-ma...mask-covid-19/
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07-23-2020, 17:16
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Originally Posted by Gypsy
So...if you are on Federal property you don't need to mask up? Can't get it/spread it? More do as I say, not as I do.
"The order does not apply to “any employees of the federal government while they are on duty.” That description would appear to exclude President Donald Trump and members of Congress from the mask requirement while working.
D.C. officials said the mask requirement can’t be enforced on federal property."
https://time.com/5870298/dc-mayor-ma...mask-covid-19/
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What you did not get the memo?
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07-23-2020, 17:19
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What you did not get the memo? 
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They have me on the PNG list.
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07-23-2020, 19:19
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They have me on the PNG list.
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Well, good. Probably means you've done something right in the world.
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07-23-2020, 19:21
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Well, good. Probably means you've done something right in the world.
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07-25-2020, 17:40
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So I literally had a doctor try to bully me into getting swabbed for china virus today.
Past few days felt like I had a sinus infection (mild symptoms: sinus headache, stuffy nose and my left ear feels blocked) Today I decided to go into the convenient care office to see what's what.
Dr walks in after 45 minutes (no other cars in the lot, was he at lunch?), so what's going on? I explain my symptoms. How often do you get these? I don't know maybe once a year. Why did you take Zyrtec? (are you kidding me right now?) Because I have a sinus headache why else would I take it? Ma'am am just trying to diagnose you. Ok sure. How long have you had an earache? I don't have one, I said it was kind of plugged up.
Looks in my ear, no wax build up, no fluid but says it is a bit red and inflamed.
Wait for it...here it comes...I shit you not: "Well I think we should swab you for covid. We are seeing these symptoms in positive patients." Really?
So I say thanks but no thank you. "Well you could have it and be infecting everyone you come into contact with." Yeah, well you're not going to guilt or bully me into helping you make me a statistic. Just give me the med list.
He comes back and sits in his little chair and ROLLS OVER TO WITHIN 2 FEET OF ME and starts going over the instructions. (steriod ear drop for the inflammation which is fine and flonase, which I will not use)
So doc if you think I have the virus shouldn't we be 6ft apart? Crickets. I took the paperwork and he again said well I really think you should get swabbed. Yeah I get that but no.
On top of it all he was the rudest SOB I've had the displeasure of interacting with. Obvious God complex.
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07-25-2020, 18:55
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Originally Posted by Gypsy
So I literally had a doctor try to bully me into getting swabbed for china virus today.
Past few days felt like I had a sinus infection (mild symptoms: sinus headache, stuffy nose and my left ear feels blocked) Today I decided to go into the convenient care office to see what's what.
Dr walks in after 45 minutes (no other cars in the lot, was he at lunch?), so what's going on? I explain my symptoms. How often do you get these? I don't know maybe once a year. Why did you take Zyrtec? (are you kidding me right now?) Because I have a sinus headache why else would I take it? Ma'am am just trying to diagnose you. Ok sure. How long have you had an earache? I don't have one, I said it was kind of plugged up.
Looks in my ear, no wax build up, no fluid but says it is a bit red and inflamed.
Wait for it...here it comes...I shit you not: "Well I think we should swab you for covid. We are seeing these symptoms in positive patients." Really?
So I say thanks but no thank you. "Well you could have it and be infecting everyone you come into contact with." Yeah, well you're not going to guilt or bully me into helping you make me a statistic. Just give me the med list.
He comes back and sits in his little chair and ROLLS OVER TO WITHIN 2 FEET OF ME and starts going over the instructions. (steriod ear drop for the inflammation which is fine and flonase, which I will not use)
So doc if you think I have the virus shouldn't we be 6ft apart? Crickets. I took the paperwork and he again said well I really think you should get swabbed. Yeah I get that but no.
On top of it all he was the rudest SOB I've had the displeasure of interacting with. Obvious God complex. 
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Well at least you got inside the clinic. I went to one with sore throat and they would not let me in the door. Go to an ER..... I hate the cowards in the medical profession tha I have had to use since January.
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