Slippery slope @ Columbia

[Pete]

Used to be back in the old days that a young single girl who got in a family way was not looked upon to kindly by the local population.

The young lady would disappear for a while to have the child and put it up for adoption or have an illegal abortion somewhere.

Nowdays things are different.

For society as a whole has the change been an improvement?

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Pete

Used to be back in the old days that a young single girl who got in a family way was not looked upon to kindly by the local population.

The young lady would disappear for a while to have the child and put it up for adoption or have an illegal abortion somewhere.

They went to live with Aunts in the Big City

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Pete

For society as a whole has the change been an improvement?

Society as a whole is a shit sandwich compared to the norm of post-WWII up until the hippies (progressive leftists) appeared.

[Dozer523]

Joining this discussion late due to an awesome drill -- four days on the ranges of Ft Knox.

"Of course I just owe almost everything to my father. He brought me up to believe almost all the things I do believe."
Margaret (The Iron Lady) Thacher. PM UK RIP

Absent from the comments is the recognition of the influence fathers have on how a daughter develops in her self-image, self-control, and self-confidence. Considering this; my first question is, "Was the daughter really capable of truly giving her consent to the sexual relationship with her father?"

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Dusty

When I was a kid growing up in Texas, we didn't even lock the doors to anything-house, car, tools, guns-whatever. We had a latch on the screen door so the wind wouldn't blow it open. My dad had a .22 in his truck. We were hunting by five years of age. "Damn" was considered profanity in a movie, and there was no nudity. Everybody worked for a living, and if somebody needed help, everybody pitched in 'til they got back on their feet. People obeyed the Ten Commandments, and those who didn't got in trouble with those who did. You could trust a man's handshake.

You and Richard can't convince me moral relativity is good for the Country, because I'm old enough to have lived through the changes as moral standards have declined.

Life seemed pretty much like that for us growing up out here in the farm country of NorCal, too, but growth has had an impact on that bit of nostalgic myopia, both my growth to adulthood and the population’s growth here in the area.

Returning home to visit over the years, I discovered that it wasn’t quite as rosy as my youthful sense of memory had seen it and I learned things, like why one family had been much less a pillar of the community than we kids were led to believe or why a classmate had gone to live with relatives her sophomore year of high school and so forth. There were a lot of secrets our parents were aware of and kept from us kids.

Yes, there were a lot of things going on that we weren’t aware of as kids and discovered as we grew older, but the basic rule which applied no matter what your religious views (Christianity and Buddhism were the major religions around here) was the so-called “Golden Rule” of “ethical reciprocity” which has a history amongst the world’s cultures long predating its adoption by Judaism and Christianity. It was practiced by my father and those he chose to associate with out here, it was expected of us, I expect it of my sons, and since moving back here permanently, my wife and I have found that that ‘rule’ ("law'?) and the promise of a handshake still holds true for many here in the valley.

For example, when I needed a section of leaking roof replaced this winter, I asked around the community and was put in touch with a local roofer who had learned and inherited the business from his father. I didn't know him, but he knew my brother and our family. He came out to look at the roof, explained what was wrong with it, sent me an estimate, and I called him to ask when he could get to it. We set a date and when I asked about a down payment, he told me to just pay him when the job was done. It took 2 days, I helped him because I wanted to see what he was doing and learn how to do it, and I paid him the agreed upon fee when he was finished. There was no contract, and he gave me a receipt and a warranty on it for a year. He's stopped by twice since then just to check and see how the roof was holding up during the recent rains.

On another point - since when has Hollywood and the film industry reflected but a Potemkinsche Dörfer view of our or anybody else’s society?

http://www.bgsu.edu/departments/thea...age102156.html
http://www.pictureshowman.com/articl...censorship.cfm

A side note - I had to keep my dog at bay while typing this response this morning as she was looking out the front window and badly wanted out so she could go after this rooster pheasant feeding out in the front pasture about 30' from the front porch and teasing her with his crowing (attchd pic).

And so it goes...

Richard

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

On another point - since when has Hollywood and the film industry reflected but a Potemkinsche Dörfer view of our or anybody else’s society?

And so it goes...

Richard

Good point, but there are exceptions. Delta Force, starring Chuck Norris and Lee Marvin was on last night. Potemkinsche Dorfer? I think not...

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Good point, but there are exceptions. Delta Force, starring Chuck Norris and Lee Marvin was on last night. Potemkinsche Dorfer? I think not...

Wait until this one's released - it's called "Oh...CRAP!"

Richard

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Richard

Wait until this one's released - it's called "Oh...CRAP!"

Richard

lololol

Originally Posted by Pete

Used to be back in the old days that a young single girl who got in a family way was not looked upon to kindly by the local population.

The young lady would disappear for a while to have the child and put it up for adoption or have an illegal abortion somewhere.

Nowdays things are different.

For society as a whole has the change been an improvement?

The same society that practiced segregation, and also hid/shunned/warehoused it's mentally ill, and handicapped. So yes, in the opinion of this FOG change has been a vast improvement. The "good old days" weren't quite what they are made out to have been.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by WCH

The same society that practiced segregation, and also hid/shunned/warehoused it's mentally ill, and handicapped. So yes, in the opinion of this FOG change has been a vast improvement. The "good old days" weren't quite what they are made out to have been.

Apples and oranges.

I like to look at things through the filter of what I imagine Col Robert L. Howard would affect. I'm a big fan.

I believe he would think segregation and warehousing the handicapped would suck just as bad as some scumbag tupping his own daughter.

[GreatfulService]

These days even little gems like Amarillo are infested with meth addicts and crack heads, quite sad. Dusty I wish I'd lived in THAT Texas, but I'm with Richard, this 'Hell in a Handbasket' view which is so popular in modern churches only serves to prevent ppl from taking any restorative action because of the common consensus that the situation is completely fucked, is meant to be that way (the decline of our entire planet is predicted so the underlying message is its futile to interfere), and its a sign that the Janitor upstairs is soon to show up with a mop and scrub the filth away via Revelations.
As nice as it is to have a religious cannon irrefutably proven, I don't find the inaction, or this alleged 'mop' to be a very healthy outcome for our nation.
Having never seen 'your' Texas,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dMoK48QGL8

I have to say I'm still extremely happy in my ignorance of what it could be. God bless America and Texas!


(spoken by a pantheist)

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by GreatfulService

These days even little gems like Amarillo are infested with meth addicts and crack heads, quite sad. Dusty I wish I'd lived in THAT Texas, but I'm with Richard, this 'Hell in a Handbasket' view which is so popular in modern churches only serves to prevent ppl from taking any restorative action because of the common consensus that the situation is completely fucked, is meant to be that way (the decline of our entire planet is predicted so the underlying message is its futile to interfere), and its a sign that the Janitor upstairs is soon to show up with a mop and scrub the filth away via Revelations.
As nice as it is to have a religious cannon irrefutably proven, I don't find the inaction, or this alleged 'mop' to be a very healthy outcome for our nation.
Having never seen 'your' Texas,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dMoK48QGL8

I have to say I'm still extremely happy in my ignorance of what it could be. God bless America and Texas!


(spoken by a pantheist)

"I see."

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by GreatfulService

These days even little gems like Amarillo are infested with meth addicts and crack heads, quite sad. Dusty I wish I'd lived in THAT Texas, but I'm with Richard, . . . .

I wish I'd lived in Texas in 1870 cuz I read a lot of books by Louis L'Amour and William W Johnston.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

I wish I'd lived in Texas in 1870 cuz I read a lot of books by Louis L'Amour and William W Johnston.

I listened to stories my grandparents and father told me of life in Texas when they lived there; read Larry McMurtry and his tales of the Hat Creek Cattle Company and Livery Emporium crew; and saw the Disney versions of "Texas John Slaughter," "Pecos Bill and Sloughfoot Sue," and "Old Yeller" - I was pretty happy living in Texas when I did.

Richard

Originally Posted by Dusty

Apples and oranges.

I like to look at things through the filter of what I imagine Col Robert L. Howard would affect. I'm a big fan.

I believe he would think segregation and warehousing the handicapped would suck just as bad as some scumbag tupping his own daughter.

Maybe to you it's apples and oranges, but it's the same (holier than thou) society that was fostering all terrible practices....while banging their neighbor's spouses.

Didn't that same society which shunned those pregnant young women also frown on divorce?

I remember those days, and I'm happy that I'm getting a chance to live in what you consider "a shit sandwich", because it is in my opinion a far better place than your "good old days".